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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so this week Chris

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O'Brien is under the weather again and I

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hope it's not the flu we've had a

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particularly bad strain of flu this

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season and even if you were inoculated

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this is hardly paranormal but if even if

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you had the flu vaccine it may not work

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that well so we're keeping our fingers

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crossed so we have J Randle Murphy as

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our guest co-host once again and we're

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talking to a Hollywood bigwig by the

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name of Bryce is able whom you all know

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because he wrote that book with rich

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Dolan entitled 80 after disclosure and a

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little bit later we'll be talking about

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his upcoming appearance at the

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International UFO Congress near Phoenix

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but I was looking at your credits your

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writing credits and you know as a

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superhero fan you wrote and were a

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producer for Lois and Clark the New

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Adventures of Superman dad I was aha

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it's kind of you to bring it up as I

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tell people these days I go it's not

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even the latest Superman buy for because

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they've been remaking this guy for for

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such a long time but I have to say it

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was in terms of just wonderful

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experiences pretty darn cool to be

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sitting around in a trailer on the

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Warner Brothers lot kicking around how

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to reinvent Superman for television back

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then very fun enjoyed it now since then

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talking about different versions we had

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Superman Returns

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yep with Brandon Ralph and Brandon this

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also plays a character called the atom

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yeah on legends of tomorrow and this is

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semi ufo-related the name of the

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character that Brandon Ralph plays is

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Ray Palmer and where did they get that

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Ray Palmer from well when they created

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the character they were recognizing a

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sci-fi and paranormal writer of course

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Ray Palmer absolutely true and by the

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way as long as we're on Lois & Clark

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there's a strong UFO

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to the Lois and Clark series too I put

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it in when I was there on the first

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season my feeling was that and now it's

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pretty widely accepted but I don't think

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people thought about it as much back

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then my feeling was Clark Kent /

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Superman wasn't alien I mean he came

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from another planet so the first episode

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I ever wrote was strange visitor from

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another planet based on you know the old

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television series and one of the things

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that we were able to do was to sort of

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tie his arrival into UFO mythology that

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the night that he had arrived people had

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seen something in the sky that kind of

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thing and then we put in a majestic 12

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like organization I called it Bureau 39

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and Bureau 39 you know had people out

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there looking into the UFO mystery and

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they've been looking at Clark since 1966

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I think it was was the date so yeah I

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think it's interesting that all these

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various mentions of ufology that have

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found their way into our popular culture

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it's happening more often than ever of

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course right now but it's always been

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there and only now we're paying

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attention to it more in it and I guess

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you and your audience are very well

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versed and all that now of course for

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those of you following the legend henry

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cavill british actor plays superman in

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the movies at the same time on Supergirl

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Tyler hoechlin who was in Teen Wolf and

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also he was in a movie when he was a kid

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Road to Perdition and he plays Superman

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modern times I'm even better than Henry

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that because I've been watching him

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going you know he's just not the average

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Superman he's got his own edge to him

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and he's very unique and I think I agree

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with you Tyler is kind of a cross

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between Christopher Reeve without the

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excesses but he has the twinkle in his

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eye that George Reeves had that

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personality that he projects when George

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Reeves played him back in the 50s but

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the only problem is he's only done four

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episodes of Supergirl and I understand

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Geoff Johns over it DC Comics has to say

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yes you can do that for them to even be

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able to have the episode

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and then of course Tyler has to be

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available but as I said I think he's if

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you can see

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the the second and third season episodes

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from Supergirl on Netflix watch those

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episodes and watch and see how he plays

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Clark and how he plays Superman I think

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it's called The Adventures of Supergirl

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is the first episode that he did and I

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think you'll agree with me that the guy

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and the movies is a good enough actor

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but Clark Kent has no twinkle in his

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eyes he's not goofy he's dead inside

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sometimes I mean you just see him you go

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he's just had a bad life compared to the

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other Superman that we've seen over the

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years yeah and I will tell you though in

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terms of the DC permission thing that

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was something we had to deal with back

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developing Lois and Clark at one point

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we had this radical idea that we would

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replace most of the red on his costume

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with black and that you you would have

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thought we had declared World War 3 and

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and of course now the costumes have been

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widely interpreted that they're all

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different but but at the time I think

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there was a little bit of regret about

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letting go and letting other people run

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with the character now of course that

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seems to be not quite as prevalent but

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they were all good and I will have to

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say a word for Dean Cain

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I thought Dean's was was perfect for the

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show I mean Lois & Clark is not an

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action-adventure piece per se it's a

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it's a romantic dramedy if you if you

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want and and I thought that Dean Cain

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Superman character and and he certainly

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had the twinkle in his eye and in those

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early seasons I really thought the world

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of him so I I did find a lot to like

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about him

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teri hatcher by the way in addition to

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being Lois Lane she played a villain

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last season and Supergirl for several

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episodes she was the queen of the daksa

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meit's well I gotta tell you Terry is a

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tremendous actress and I remember

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getting the opportunity to write the

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famous Lois meets Superman for the first

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time interview and I that was in my

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strange visitor episode which was

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episode number one after the pilot

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and I thought she was terrific and it

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was such a challenge both for her and

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for me because the famous scene of

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course from this original Superman film

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was Lois on the rooftop and Superman

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that naughty boy saying the color of her

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panties because he was committing sexual

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harassment I guess at the time and he

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shouldn't have been doing that but he

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was and and we let that go

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which so I guess that's changing times

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but we we put our own version of that

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together and Terry just had the perfect

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sensibility for it she really was

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wonderful and she's a terrific actress

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across the board that she was just

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stunning I thought it's Lois Lane

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watching her play a villain was really

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interesting also getting this stage

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actor and I forget his name who played

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Lex Luthor hmm he was really good I've

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seen him as a hero and a villain are you

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talking about the Lois and Clark Lex

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although he was a pretty radical

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reinterpretation there was nothing bald

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healthy head of hair and and was younger

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than the other Lex's but again now Lex

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has been reinterpreted many times since

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but again at the beginning of Lois and

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Clark that was a shock to people that we

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would want to cast him that way but he I

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thought he turned out to be also very

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good yeah he portrayed the villainy just

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perfectly and of course they have a lot

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of guest stars on there of course oh but

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I mean that's what you do in those shows

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and of course we did a lot of that and

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just to finish up the UFO thing we

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or 8 of the first season I wrote that

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one it was called the green green glow

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of home and I and again I was just so

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thrilled somebody let me interpret what

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kryptonite was all about which for a you

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books in the local pharmacy it was just

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fantastic to be able to to

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Bureau 39 track Clark and Lois to

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Smallville within with the intent of

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basically grabbing Superman and studying

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him so we've we've had our UFO alien

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and loathing and you'll wonder what

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re-fry Sabol joining us I'm gonna ask

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interpretation to it we'll get to that

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all those people complaining about too

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many commercials on YouTube that's a

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solution Bryce sable is here of course

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he was co-author with rich stolen ad

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after disclosure been following UFOs for

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years or maybe they've been following

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him we'll have to find out but he's got

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another book out there and I want to

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read this I haven't had time yet to

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actually get myself a copy but this is

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you know one of these ultimate fantasies

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what if the Beatles stayed together I

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remember when the announcement came out

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we know that apparently John Lennon

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actually quit but Paul McCartney made

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the official announcement in connection

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with his new album this is like 1970

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where the wire dispatch came over and I

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was working at a radio station in

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suburban Philadelphia at the time and I

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didn't even think about this but of

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course you know obviously something like

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this had been in the works for quite a

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while and that's how I learned of it but

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what if the Beatles worked out their

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differences and stuck together how do

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you figure how that work well I'd spent

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the last three years thinking about it

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so listen with the book you're talking

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about and thank you for bringing it up

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is my latest book it's just out now it's

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an it's a new publish it's called once

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there was a way what if the Beatles

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stayed together you can find it at

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Amazon Beatles com and if you want to do

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a little more digging you can go to what

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if Beatles calm which we have a lot of

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Easter eggs and stuff buried in that

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site but basically I started a alternate

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history series a few years ago starting

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with the Kennedy assassination my first

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book was called surrounded by enemies

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what if Kennedy survived Dallas and it

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touched a nerve with a lot of people who

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found it on the fiftieth anniversary of

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the assassination to be a really

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interesting way to look at the

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assassination it won this big award

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called the sidewise award for alternate

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history and it got me a publisher saying

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how about if you do another one and I

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thought well it's pretty hard to come up

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with something as big in the sort of

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cultural mythology of our times than JFK

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but if you were going to do it it might

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be the Beatles so I spent some time

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thinking about all the issues that you

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just brought up yes

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Lennon quit first McCartney made the

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announcement but was there anything that

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could have been done during those years

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that might have changed their opinions

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and one of the things that I do in break

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point is I try to find a place where

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history could have broken in a different

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direction

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that's pretty damn easy with the JFK

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assassination of course because he

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doesn't get hit so suddenly you've got a

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brand new storyline going on with the

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Beatles it had to be a little more

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subtle

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and instead of just starting in our

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history line in say 1970 or so I went

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back to 1968 for a break point it was a

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lot more subtle and nuanced I think but

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it was about a visit that McCartney and

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Lennon paid to the United States in 1968

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to announce their Apple Records and they

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in our real timeline this really

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happened they appeared on The Tonight

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Show but Johnny Carson wasn't there and

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instead they were guests of Joe

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Garagiola the guest host and Tallulah

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Bankhead was there Tallulah was drunk

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and kind of abusive and weird and Joe

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really didn't know much about music or

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the Beatles and I don't think John and

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Paul had a very good time and it's been

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lost to history and nobody really cares

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about it because it wasn't that great of

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a thing in my book all I have that makes

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for the different break point is when

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they tell John and Paul you're gonna be

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on with Joe Garagiola Johnny Carson's

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not making it Lennon says basically f

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that we're not coming so he he says

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unless you get Carson in we're not doing

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the show Carson literally was performing

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in New Jersey at the time and he didn't

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want to come back but he knew a good

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deal when he heard it at least in my

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book and he comes he makes a deal he

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says I'll come back and do the show but

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you have to perform you have to do at

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least two songs and do the whole show so

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the Beatles end up on Johnny Carson and

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with Johnny Carson they have a really

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great time together so instead of this

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sour kind of thing that John and Paul

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had together in our timeline they have a

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lot of fun with Johnny Carson and even

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Ed McMahon and go out drinking afterward

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so that's an example so from that arrow

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bending in history the entire book lays

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out and what I what I did in the book

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and I'll stop talking about it in the

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second here but what I did to make it

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feel realistic I wrote it from the point

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of view if you can imagine Rolling Stone

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doing a 50th anniversary on the Beatles

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they might very well have told the story

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of how they stayed together all these 50

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years so that's the story I told from

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the point of view as if it's been

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written by Rolling Stone you know so far

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the reviews have been very kind and very

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excited so I I feel like I've hit the

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sweet spot of something and I'm very

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proud of the book and I hope anyone who

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wants to read it goes to Amazon Beatles

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calm or what if Beatles calm and checks

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it out

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that's a pretty cool concept actually

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and here's a good question for both you

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guys because you're both into the Mac

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and the Apple thing and I don't know if

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you go into it in the in your book but

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imagine if they had stayed together and

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not had as much instability over the

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Apple trademark would you guys still be

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on Apple computers or what do you think

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would have happened yeah oh yeah well

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I'd in fact I have to tell you that is a

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major part of the latter part of the

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book because Steve Jobs is one of the

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characters in the book Steve Jobs ends

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up well let me put it this way something

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happens in 1974 that upsets the Beatles

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stability if you will and Harrison

509
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George Harrison takes off for India and

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it turns out that in reality in our

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reality in 1974 a young Steve Jobs was

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in India you can read about it in Walter

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Isaacson's book but he was there in

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India so I have Harrison happening

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across Stephen jobs in India in 1974 and

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combining their forces to handle this

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issue that it's come up and it's handled

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very credibly I think and it allows

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Apple to be a merger of music and an

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early technology and weaves jobs into

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the Apple that we know as The Beatles

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Apple so there's still an Apple Computer

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that all of us would have been working

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on it just would have started down the

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road a few years earlier we might have

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even better apples now that the Beatles

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stayed together now this is interesting

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here to some speculation I make

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informally if John Lennon hadn't been

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killed in 1980 would the Beatles have

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gotten together this is a really

532
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:48,929
interesting question it's not

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particularly a part of the book although

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it is incidentally I'll answer your

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question first in that I do believe had

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Lennon survived in 1980 in our timeline

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in our world that yeah they would have

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played together again I think that's

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pretty clear from reading their comments

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and other literature and another

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together and gone on to or whatever but

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they might have played together on

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was a very dangerous thing to do and

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there are ways to get around that let me

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break it here you have more about one of

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the Beatles okay together a Bryce sable

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Abel Jean Steinberg Jay Randall Murphy

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speculating about what would have

665
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happened if the Beatles stayed together

666
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then we'll get into the fear and

667
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loathing and the UFO thing and I

668
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suggested here what if you know Lennon

669
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wasn't shot and you've made a point here

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to it he really had little if any

671
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security I think this will explain to

672
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your listeners what the book is about so

673
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in order to keep Lennon alive and not to

674
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just track our history exactly you know

675
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if you're gonna write an alternate

676
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history and then write an alternate

677
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history what happens in in the book is

678
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that the Beatles through a variety of

679
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circumstances end up playing at

680
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Woodstock alright which is something

681
00:28:00,770 --> 00:27:59,250
that could have happened easily because

682
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they were invited they just didn't

683
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happen to go because they were in the

684
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middle of recording Abbey Road and also

685
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John Lennon got in a car accident a few

686
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:09,840
weeks before in Scotland so in the book

687
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:12,570
these things still are happening but the

688
00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:14,970
Beatles end up playing at Woodstock and

689
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:17,550
they have a near fatal encounter with

690
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:19,530
fan love because there's so many people

691
00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:20,820
there and there's not much security

692
00:28:24,349 --> 00:28:21,779
there

693
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:24,359
and they nearly meet a tragic ending at

694
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Woodstock and as a result of that Lenin

695
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and the others take a position in favor

696
00:28:33,979 --> 00:28:32,129
of enhanced security from that point on

697
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:33,989
they just figured it's not worth dying

698
00:28:40,219 --> 00:28:37,559
of love of your fans and so Lenin never

699
00:28:42,859 --> 00:28:40,229
would have done in my book what he did

700
00:28:45,379 --> 00:28:42,869
in 1980 in our world which is to take

701
00:28:46,940 --> 00:28:45,389
those chances he would have had a

702
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different way in and by the way the

703
00:28:50,659 --> 00:28:48,840
Dakota you can actually drive into the

704
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underground parking garage without

705
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passing through people I believe he

706
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would have done that had he had reason

707
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to be concerned about security earlier

708
00:29:01,399 --> 00:28:59,669
on so that's one of the things that

709
00:29:03,289 --> 00:29:01,409
happens in the book so you can see those

710
00:29:05,209 --> 00:29:03,299
things they get to play Woodstock Lenin

711
00:29:07,879 --> 00:29:05,219
doesn't die things like that happen and

712
00:29:10,219 --> 00:29:07,889
it's just really a lot of fun the thing

713
00:29:11,899 --> 00:29:10,229
I'm getting from so many people is just

714
00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:11,909
you know they know it's an alternate

715
00:29:16,219 --> 00:29:13,830
history it didn't really happen but

716
00:29:18,379 --> 00:29:16,229
rather than writing a dry nonfiction

717
00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:18,389
book about you know what it would have

718
00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:20,070
taken for the Beatles to stay together

719
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which I don't think would have been that

720
00:29:24,739 --> 00:29:22,859
much fun

721
00:29:27,229 --> 00:29:24,749
what I've done is I've I've said and

722
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this I think is key John Paul George and

723
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Ringo are for the greatest characters

724
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around we know those four guys

725
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personality as well as we know Captain

726
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Kirk or Hamlet and write their

727
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characters in in their own right so what

728
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,759
I've done and once there was a way what

729
00:29:44,169 --> 00:29:41,039
if the Beatles stayed together is to say

730
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John Paul George and Ringo are

731
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characters and I'm writing the New

732
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:49,139
Adventures of the Beatles so you get a

733
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chance to experience the world that

734
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,769
might have been had the Beatles stayed

735
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together and whereas the Kennedy book

736
00:30:01,129 --> 00:29:58,739
was a kind of a riveting sometimes scary

737
00:30:03,109 --> 00:30:01,139
and certainly political thriller The

738
00:30:06,769 --> 00:30:03,119
Beatles is a little bit more whimsical

739
00:30:09,169 --> 00:30:06,779
and it's more fun for people because it

740
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,179
doesn't tear them down it just allows it

741
00:30:12,499 --> 00:30:10,799
but it still gives them problems but

742
00:30:14,329 --> 00:30:12,509
different problems than they had in our

743
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timeline when they were solo acts and

744
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:16,379
and it's all very credible the Beatles

745
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could have stayed together now people

746
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:20,820
will debate that but they could have and

747
00:30:28,099 --> 00:30:23,460
in this book they do you are going to

748
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appear at the I UFO sea and the topic

749
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you offered and I want to know more

750
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about this because I can explore this

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for a while fear and loathing on the

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trail of the sauce

753
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sometimes I think when things get a

754
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little bit sideways in the para caste

755
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forums you think about some fear and

756
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:44,580
loathing but yeah I are you using that

757
00:30:51,010 --> 00:30:48,330
term I'll tell you why I have been doing

758
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this for a while now I wrote my first

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UFO movie for the sci-fi channel as

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their first original film they ever made

761
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it was called official denial and that

762
00:31:01,520 --> 00:30:59,220
was 25 years ago so I've been reflecting

763
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on the fact that I've had quite a

764
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journey not only did I do that but I did

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the dark skies TV series for NBC I

766
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worked for Spielberg on taken and I've

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got several projects and development and

768
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I wrote that book with dole aside I've

769
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met most of the players I've read a lot

770
00:31:18,650 --> 00:31:17,040
I'm not the world's greatest expert I'm

771
00:31:21,260 --> 00:31:18,660
sure you guys know more than I do but I

772
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know a lot compared to most people and I

773
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:22,860
think the problem that I've encountered

774
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:25,470
over those 25 years is that I'm

775
00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:28,020
relatively sure to a high degree of

776
00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:30,360
certainty that at least some of those

777
00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:32,840
things flying around in our skies are

778
00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:35,430
from someplace that isn't here and

779
00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:37,470
they're made by somebody that isn't us

780
00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:39,750
at least some of them so I know there's

781
00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:42,500
an underlying reality to the UFO

782
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:45,590
situation that we find ourselves in but

783
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:49,980
having said that I still repeatedly am

784
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:52,290
taken aback at the high degree of

785
00:31:57,410 --> 00:31:55,020
nonsense that has pervaded the youth

786
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:57,420
illogical movement it makes it more and

787
00:32:02,450 --> 00:31:59,460
more difficult to reach out across the

788
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:02,460
divide to people who don't not really

789
00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:04,410
know anything about UFOs and really

790
00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:06,270
don't think about it even the skeptics

791
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:08,400
who laugh about it it's harder to reach

792
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,380
across the divide when we have done such

793
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:13,200
a poor job of presenting ourselves so I

794
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:15,720
think fear and loathing for me is of

795
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:17,460
course a reference to Hunter Thompson's

796
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:19,890
two books Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

797
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:21,690
and then fear and loathing on the

798
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campaign trail 1972 and I just thought

799
00:32:29,540 --> 00:32:26,310
Thompson

800
00:32:31,790 --> 00:32:29,550
sort of captures my feeling about this

801
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:31,800
it there's just a lot to be skeptical

802
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:34,500
about and yet at the same time if you're

803
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:36,690
really saying that we are now 70 years

804
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:40,290
past Roswell and we still don't have a

805
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,090
national or international or global

806
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:44,880
public discussion about this thing then

807
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,910
that means one thing only it means that

808
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:49,200
the people the

809
00:32:54,649 --> 00:32:52,110
humans who do know what some version of

810
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the truth if has have chosen not to talk

811
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about it and it means these visitors

812
00:33:01,820 --> 00:32:59,580
whoever they are have agreed not to talk

813
00:33:04,669 --> 00:33:01,830
about it because both parties can end

814
00:33:06,769 --> 00:33:04,679
this secrecy immediately humans could

815
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:06,779
call a press conference the Pope could

816
00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:08,820
show up the president the Chinese leader

817
00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:10,590
somebody could say something publicly

818
00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:15,240
but they don't and also the aliens could

819
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:17,190
easily have landed on the White House

820
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:18,990
lawn or in Central Park or wherever they

821
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:21,090
wanted to and said we're here but they

822
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:23,399
haven't that means that there is a

823
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:27,510
secret worthy of secrecy for 70 plus

824
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,720
years and that scares me a little bit so

825
00:33:35,299 --> 00:33:32,820
I think that justifies the fear and the

826
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,309
loathing there's something going on we

827
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,679
know that for a fact but people who know

828
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:40,080
about what's going on choose not to

829
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:41,070
speak about it

830
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:43,740
that makes me nervous this makes a

831
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:45,990
really good segue into the whole TTS a

832
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:48,809
thing like how did a basic unknown then

833
00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:51,000
in the film industry like DeLong managed

834
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,240
to slip his project under the radar of

835
00:33:57,740 --> 00:33:55,440
experienced industry people like like

836
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:57,750
when did you see it coming and what are

837
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,059
some of your thoughts on that well I I

838
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,919
don't know Tom DeLonge I think he's an

839
00:34:05,779 --> 00:34:03,840
interesting fellow and he you know I

840
00:34:08,419 --> 00:34:05,789
think he seems sincere and all the times

841
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:08,429
I've seen him talk and I enjoy hearing

842
00:34:13,940 --> 00:34:12,240
from him I actually part of what I would

843
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:13,950
like to say and I don't need to get into

844
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:15,569
all the details but I was kind of a Tom

845
00:34:21,139 --> 00:34:17,879
DeLonge before Tom DeLonge in one minor

846
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:21,149
way which was he's taken the position

847
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:23,970
somehow that the truth in order to be

848
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,010
gotten out entirely needs to come out

849
00:34:30,919 --> 00:34:28,079
under the cover of fiction a little bit

850
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:30,929
and I'm a little skeptical of that if

851
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:33,210
you're really trying for disclosure but

852
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:35,399
that is exactly what Brent Friedman and

853
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:38,010
I did with dark skies the NBC television

854
00:34:42,319 --> 00:34:40,530
series in the 90s we literally had a

855
00:34:44,419 --> 00:34:42,329
source who wrote us a letter and said

856
00:34:46,220 --> 00:34:44,429
you can't just tell the truth that will

857
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:46,230
get people killed you have to tell use

858
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:48,119
the cover of fiction to tell the truth

859
00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:51,210
and so I've given a lot of thought and

860
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:53,579
and had some experiences along those

861
00:34:58,579 --> 00:34:56,129
areas that make me believe that it's

862
00:35:00,920 --> 00:34:58,589
quite possible that Tom DeLonge has been

863
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,930
talked to by various people those

864
00:35:04,549 --> 00:35:02,640
various people might

865
00:35:07,549 --> 00:35:04,559
be telling the truth or they might be

866
00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:07,559
just doing the biggest con job of this

867
00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:10,230
decade on Tom DeLonge I think the jury

868
00:35:14,359 --> 00:35:11,940
is still out a little bit for me on that

869
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:14,369
I want to believe that he's completely

870
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:17,400
sincere but at the same time it would be

871
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:19,140
possible to believe that Tom DeLonge is

872
00:35:25,819 --> 00:35:21,690
completely sincere and also not in

873
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:25,829
charge of the facts so I approve of the

874
00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:29,119
idea that he's working diligently with

875
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:32,670
some real people to get the word out but

876
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:35,130
I question whether he needs to make a TV

877
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:37,410
series that's fictional or a movie or a

878
00:35:41,539 --> 00:35:39,480
book that's fictional to get it out I'm

879
00:35:43,789 --> 00:35:41,549
not making any apologies I'm not out to

880
00:35:45,529 --> 00:35:43,799
solve the problem by myself I'm not

881
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:45,539
making any claims I'm just trying to

882
00:35:50,299 --> 00:35:47,609
make movies and TV series I think that's

883
00:35:53,569 --> 00:35:50,309
the pure motive that you should have for

884
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:53,579
making TV in series I just don't know

885
00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:55,260
that that's how if I really knew

886
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:57,390
something that I would choose to be that

887
00:36:04,009 --> 00:36:00,119
backward about it I think Tom DeLonge if

888
00:36:08,509 --> 00:36:04,019
he knows some he needs to get out from

889
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:08,519
behind the curtain of fiction and go

890
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:10,980
straight into the world of fact and tell

891
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:13,380
us what the hell he knows in plain

892
00:36:20,059 --> 00:36:16,500
English and back it up and provide proof

893
00:36:22,819 --> 00:36:20,069
that he can and so at this to step that

894
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:22,829
he's doing bothers me let's break it

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here cuz I wanna bring something up to

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you about a recent episode of the power

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you are listening to the podcast okay

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Bryce table we had on a guest a couple

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weeks back by the name of Walter Bosley

1006
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he was a semi-regular on the power cast

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he has a background in intelligence he's

1008
00:41:30,110 --> 00:41:26,670
also a former FBI agent and he was

1009
00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:30,120
considering mostly here Louis Elizondo

1010
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:32,790
the guy from the Pentagon who was

1011
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:38,010
working on this UFO project for the

1012
00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:41,130
government and he said here he thinks

1013
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:45,320
that Elizondo is probably still working

1014
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:49,020
for the government probably as a

1015
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:51,540
contractor and that what they're doing

1016
00:41:56,650 --> 00:41:54,180
here with Tom DeLonge and all these

1017
00:42:00,020 --> 00:41:56,660
people it's a case of perception

1018
00:42:03,370 --> 00:42:00,030
management and I think the meaning of

1019
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:03,380
that is pretty well implicit adjusting

1020
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:07,320
the public's views on the subject as you

1021
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,420
say mixing it with fiction would be

1022
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:11,880
another way of looking at that I don't

1023
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:13,380
think our public views need to be

1024
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:15,330
adjusted anymore to be honest with you I

1025
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,310
and that may be what they're doing but I

1026
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:19,500
don't think it's it's a step that they

1027
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,200
they we've moved beyond that so many

1028
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:24,240
people know that UFOs are real so many

1029
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:26,730
people have we we've had so many things

1030
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:29,640
happen to us in recent history that are

1031
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:32,520
just so outrageous and and you know

1032
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:34,470
never before happened and we could

1033
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:36,660
handle it I think and and we need to

1034
00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:38,190
handle it whether we whether we can or

1035
00:42:40,610 --> 00:42:40,230
we can't we still deserve to know the

1036
00:42:43,220 --> 00:42:40,620
truth

1037
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:43,230
so this two-step I don't know and and

1038
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:47,520
whether Elizondo is you know on their

1039
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:49,800
payroll or not on their payroll it

1040
00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:51,540
sounds to me like the case that he's

1041
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:54,630
reporting is the truth so if that's the

1042
00:42:59,900 --> 00:42:57,090
truth I applaud him for being forthright

1043
00:43:02,120 --> 00:42:59,910
and getting it out I'm happy about that

1044
00:43:04,460 --> 00:43:02,130
I'm just really look I don't want to

1045
00:43:06,350 --> 00:43:04,470
look like I'm saying well just let us

1046
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:06,360
professional entertainers Entertain You

1047
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:08,460
I'm not saying that I'm just saying it

1048
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:11,940
mixes Tom DeLong's message if if you're

1049
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:14,640
talking about needing to do in

1050
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:17,400
jaymund to prepare people for the truth

1051
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:19,260
people have been saying that for years

1052
00:43:24,289 --> 00:43:22,200
they asked every UFO TV series or

1053
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:24,299
feature you know as the government

1054
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:26,609
trying to use you to get the truth out I

1055
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:28,619
don't think that's the case and I don't

1056
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:30,150
think it needs to be the case

1057
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,130
people in Hollywood make movies and

1058
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:34,400
television shows and video games about

1059
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:36,690
UFOs because they're interesting

1060
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,609
they provide conflict and people buy

1061
00:43:44,509 --> 00:43:40,980
them that's why they do it when we try

1062
00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:44,519
to merge the true facts into that and

1063
00:43:48,859 --> 00:43:46,470
say we need to do that to get the truth

1064
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:48,869
out then we're on shaky err ground

1065
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:53,010
I say it's 2018 people and if you know

1066
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:55,710
something for a fact come out and say it

1067
00:44:00,289 --> 00:43:58,380
lay it out on the table for all of us to

1068
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:00,299
understand what you're saying and don't

1069
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:03,150
hide behind anything just tell what you

1070
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,510
know well said at the same time though

1071
00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:08,640
that here's I find it really interesting

1072
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:10,230
that you did say that you were

1073
00:44:15,259 --> 00:44:12,450
approached by some sort of an insider

1074
00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:15,269
the law DeLonge is making the same sort

1075
00:44:21,799 --> 00:44:18,390
of claim and I would imagine then that

1076
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:21,809
you too can't be the only ones I don't

1077
00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:23,339
know if you're aware of anyone else in

1078
00:44:28,849 --> 00:44:26,180
the industry who has been approached but

1079
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:28,859
do you have any way of connecting these

1080
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:31,140
dots behind the scene is to like just

1081
00:44:34,999 --> 00:44:33,210
who these people are I would love to

1082
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:35,009
meet Tom DeLonge sometime I don't some

1083
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,569
day that happens and we get a couple

1084
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:39,119
hours to talk because the answer to your

1085
00:44:42,799 --> 00:44:40,710
question I don't know of anyone else

1086
00:44:45,289 --> 00:44:42,809
who's had an experience like Tom DeLonge

1087
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:45,299
says he's had and that I had with Brent

1088
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:47,369
Friedman back in the late 90s

1089
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,460
so I would like to try to connect those

1090
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:52,740
dots to see if there are similarities to

1091
00:44:57,799 --> 00:44:54,890
it because I've been haunted by the

1092
00:45:00,200 --> 00:44:57,809
experience that Brent and I had because

1093
00:45:02,539 --> 00:45:00,210
I'd like to know whether it was the

1094
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:02,549
truth or whether it was elaborate

1095
00:45:05,269 --> 00:45:03,359
disinformation

1096
00:45:07,009 --> 00:45:05,279
either way it's a little disturbing

1097
00:45:10,609 --> 00:45:07,019
because if somebody is approaching you

1098
00:45:13,759 --> 00:45:10,619
with a giant story like was laid out on

1099
00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:13,769
us and obviously Tom DeLonge then you

1100
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:16,980
would like to know who they are why

1101
00:45:21,140 --> 00:45:19,170
they're doing it but if it's the truth

1102
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:21,150
that's one thing if it's disinformation

1103
00:45:25,819 --> 00:45:23,490
you still have to ask yourself who's

1104
00:45:28,099 --> 00:45:25,829
paying for this disinformation and what

1105
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:28,109
do they get out of it why if it's

1106
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:28,710
descent from

1107
00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:31,250
nation did Brent and I get approached by

1108
00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:35,630
some really official looking kind of

1109
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:36,990
scary

1110
00:45:42,620 --> 00:45:39,930
intelligence type guys to lay out a

1111
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:42,630
whole story on us if it was just this

1112
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:45,330
information what was the point who hired

1113
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:47,970
these actors to come talk to us that way

1114
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:50,700
who wrote their script who prepared them

1115
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:52,650
these are questions I have and and

1116
00:45:59,240 --> 00:45:56,280
obviously Tom DeLonge has had a longer

1117
00:46:01,790 --> 00:45:59,250
reach of that he said more apparently of

1118
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:01,800
those and and he's in fact acted on them

1119
00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:04,410
to actively seek out other people that

1120
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:05,790
the approach that happened at Brent and

1121
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:08,760
I was so ultimately bizarre that I chose

1122
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:11,190
not to follow up on it because also I

1123
00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:12,839
was in the middle of actually producing

1124
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:15,630
a network television series and I didn't

1125
00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:17,910
have time to become a UFO researcher I

1126
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:19,619
only barely had time to write the

1127
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:22,230
scripts and get them produced but I do

1128
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:24,630
have questions and I think it's a it's a

1129
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:26,460
good question you asked and if you ever

1130
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:28,290
hear of other people who claim it I'd

1131
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:30,330
like to know about him I personally have

1132
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:32,099
not heard of anybody but Tom DeLonge and

1133
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:34,170
myself and Brent who went through that

1134
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,570
well then we have like wasn't it Chuck

1135
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:38,400
Barris or something you said he was in

1136
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:41,400
this in the CIA right yes so there's

1137
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:43,650
there wasn't a connection to UFOs or

1138
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:45,570
anything and I don't think there's any

1139
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:47,790
that's Chuck Barris telling his own

1140
00:46:51,620 --> 00:46:49,800
personal story that makes him the star

1141
00:46:54,260 --> 00:46:51,630
of it I don't think it's the same Tom

1142
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:54,270
DeLonge and Brenda and I were approached

1143
00:46:58,339 --> 00:46:56,520
I believe Tom was approached maybe he

1144
00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:58,349
approached them so I actually I'm I'm

1145
00:47:02,810 --> 00:46:59,940
not positive how that went down but

1146
00:47:06,109 --> 00:47:02,820
Brent and I were approached by people

1147
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:06,119
who basically I mean I'll give you the

1148
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:08,130
30-second version but when the dark

1149
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:12,450
skies party was put on for the the cast

1150
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:14,130
and crew on the night that the show

1151
00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:16,650
aired we had a party with 200 people at

1152
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:20,190
my house and one guy showed up there who

1153
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:21,960
I didn't know who he was

1154
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:25,440
and he claimed he was from people who

1155
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:27,420
were very interested in what we were

1156
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:30,420
doing and he told us we think you've

1157
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,010
done a really good job and you're

1158
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:33,599
getting most of it right but not all of

1159
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:36,210
it we want to help you well Brent and I

1160
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:38,339
were like what you come to our party and

1161
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:39,810
you want to help us what's this all

1162
00:47:42,740 --> 00:47:40,050
about

1163
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:42,750
and the guy said look I'd like to have

1164
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:44,730
my bosses come and meet with you guys

1165
00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:47,250
Brent set that up I wasn't aware of it

1166
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:49,500
till it happened that day and a couple

1167
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:51,420
of guys who looked very fit very

1168
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:56,400
military very very serious dudes came to

1169
00:47:59,569 --> 00:47:57,960
the dark skies office and talked to

1170
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,579
Brent and I for about two or three hours

1171
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:01,680
laying out what they said was the truth

1172
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:05,849
of the whole thing and and I to conclude

1173
00:48:09,859 --> 00:48:07,530
with why I didn't follow it up and it

1174
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:09,869
sounds ridiculous but many things and

1175
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:12,540
ufology do sound ridiculous and yet you

1176
00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:14,250
have to give them credibility because

1177
00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:17,339
you experience them so these two guys

1178
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:19,980
said okay you've passed our test but now

1179
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,810
we want you to meet somebody in Long

1180
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,700
Beach they said they were in able

1181
00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:25,680
intelligence and this guy was on a ship

1182
00:48:31,339 --> 00:48:27,990
in Long Beach and they wanted to meet us

1183
00:48:33,859 --> 00:48:31,349
and I and I was sort of up for that

1184
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:33,869
although a little nervous actually

1185
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:36,210
because I have three kids and I don't

1186
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:37,800
want them to be without a father at that

1187
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,480
time you know and I'm thinking this is a

1188
00:48:45,740 --> 00:48:41,940
little weird and then they said the

1189
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:45,750
catcher they said you'll meet this guy

1190
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:49,650
at midnight in and then they gave me the

1191
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:53,040
location of a cemetery and I just pushed

1192
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:54,660
back from the table at that point and

1193
00:48:58,880 --> 00:48:56,339
said okay this meetings done I'm not

1194
00:49:00,859 --> 00:48:58,890
meeting anybody at midnight in a

1195
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:00,869
cemetery it sounds like we were part of

1196
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:03,480
an episode of the x-files it sounds like

1197
00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:05,970
it I mean I you know I I will tell you

1198
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:07,800
jet brent and I were authentically

1199
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:11,520
shaken by this event because again it

1200
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:12,839
always comes down to either they're

1201
00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:14,460
telling the truth which is really

1202
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:16,440
frightening and weird and shakes me up

1203
00:49:20,809 --> 00:49:19,050
or they're not telling the truth which

1204
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:20,819
is equally scary because it means

1205
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:24,780
somebody who has some resources of money

1206
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:27,720
and intelligence has decided that we're

1207
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:30,210
worthy of being pulled into their giant

1208
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,970
con and you know both are not good

1209
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:34,800
options if you're just trying to get

1210
00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:37,890
through life and not get hurt I'm still

1211
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:41,190
trying to get my head around what they

1212
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:43,290
were hoping to accomplish in terms of

1213
00:49:48,109 --> 00:49:45,810
you producing this show were you meant

1214
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:48,119
to convey something in there that

1215
00:49:52,180 --> 00:49:49,950
presents a truth about what's really

1216
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:52,190
going on yeah yeah that's what they said

1217
00:49:58,089 --> 00:49:56,450
the the their take was

1218
00:50:00,490 --> 00:49:58,099
you have to understand the premise of

1219
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:00,500
dark skies what took place in the 1960s

1220
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:03,890
and the idea was that if Roswell was a

1221
00:50:09,339 --> 00:50:06,710
true event then 15 years later is

1222
00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:09,349
Kennedy's in office and all that and the

1223
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:10,790
fact that people don't know about UFOs

1224
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:13,190
means that somehow the investigation and

1225
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,630
that Roswell crash had gone deeply

1226
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:16,880
underground and that and that the

1227
00:50:21,220 --> 00:50:19,010
history you know of the 60s was only a

1228
00:50:23,170 --> 00:50:21,230
part of the truth because there was this

1229
00:50:28,510 --> 00:50:23,180
whole underground history so that was

1230
00:50:31,569 --> 00:50:28,520
our premise and so what these guys were

1231
00:50:33,550 --> 00:50:31,579
alleging was that parts right you know

1232
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,560
you are completely right that many

1233
00:50:38,530 --> 00:50:35,839
historical events that we know in one

1234
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:38,540
direction actually happened slightly

1235
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:41,210
differently or you've only got part of

1236
00:50:47,410 --> 00:50:43,730
the story because the larger story was

1237
00:50:50,859 --> 00:50:47,420
the alien contact portion of it so for

1238
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:50,869
example the pilot of dark skies has John

1239
00:50:54,730 --> 00:50:53,089
Kennedy being assassinated because he

1240
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,740
was going to tell the truth about UFOs

1241
00:50:58,750 --> 00:50:57,200
in his second term they acted like that

1242
00:51:00,640 --> 00:50:58,760
was true they acted like well you got

1243
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:00,650
that one right but here's the weird

1244
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,130
thing

1245
00:51:05,890 --> 00:51:03,680
I there was no big Internet at that

1246
00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:05,900
point and nobody was talking about John

1247
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:07,790
Kennedy being killed because of UFOs

1248
00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:09,890
that came up because Brent and I just

1249
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:10,700
made it up

1250
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take the two biggest conspiracies of our

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time put them in an atom collider and

1252
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see what will happen

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and before that collider divides we got

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here's Jane Steinberg alright

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the ultimate conspiracy theory these

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people that Bryce Abel and his partner

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encountered with dark skies whoa yeah

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well we can also have another thing what

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if it lasts to the second season and

1313
00:54:35,140 --> 00:54:31,850
these yes whoever they were these agents

1314
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:35,150
of whoever helped you make it today I

1315
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don't think season I I'm not sure sure

1316
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:39,740
that I was up for that because they

1317
00:54:42,850 --> 00:54:41,240
would have had to really really prove

1318
00:54:45,130 --> 00:54:42,860
who they were and then then I would have

1319
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:45,140
been thinking what am i doing guy I

1320
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don't know it's just I don't know that's

1321
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:48,110
a speculative thing I'm not really sure

1322
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:49,970
what we would have done I know our plan

1323
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:52,240
for the second season was to move ahead

1324
00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:54,290
chronologically and have Bobby Kennedy

1325
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it was a main character in the series

1326
00:55:00,730 --> 00:54:58,130
heavily involved before he gets

1327
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:00,740
assassinated in 68 and then we are going

1328
00:55:06,310 --> 00:55:04,130
to wrap Watergate into the UFO situation

1329
00:55:08,350 --> 00:55:06,320
and and all of those things but we were

1330
00:55:12,370 --> 00:55:08,360
thinking mostly about story at that time

1331
00:55:14,890 --> 00:55:12,380
and as I said these guys well let me

1332
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:14,900
just give you one specific example they

1333
00:55:19,540 --> 00:55:17,810
basically as I said thought well you you

1334
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:19,550
got the Kennedy thing right and you got

1335
00:55:23,950 --> 00:55:20,930
a bunch of other things right and you've

1336
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:23,960
got the idea that the 60s were a time of

1337
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,910
turbulence partly because of keeping

1338
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:28,160
this secret etc so they were happy to

1339
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say that now what they picked on us

1340
00:55:35,950 --> 00:55:32,540
about was we had come up with something

1341
00:55:38,620 --> 00:55:35,960
called the ganglion that was a sort of

1342
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:38,630
the alien creature that nested in your

1343
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,210
brain and took over your body okay and

1344
00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:43,280
we did that mostly to sort of add the

1345
00:55:46,690 --> 00:55:45,020
horror aspect to it we haven't seen it

1346
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:46,700
in the literature and we hadn't heard

1347
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:48,290
anybody tell us that's what was going on

1348
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,970
we just did it because it was more

1349
00:55:54,790 --> 00:55:52,400
visceral than saying having a computer

1350
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:54,800
chip inserted in somebody's brain we

1351
00:55:57,850 --> 00:55:56,210
thought that was more interesting and

1352
00:55:59,830 --> 00:55:57,860
they pointed that out they were like

1353
00:56:01,930 --> 00:55:59,840
well that's you know that's not the way

1354
00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:01,940
it really happens but they were so

1355
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:02,870
dismissive

1356
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:04,970
I can't tell you how weird it was to

1357
00:56:10,660 --> 00:56:08,000
have people debating what was on the

1358
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:10,670
screen in our TV series from this point

1359
00:56:15,070 --> 00:56:12,650
of view where they could be arrogant and

1360
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:15,080
cocky about it you know and just like

1361
00:56:18,970 --> 00:56:17,150
listen you guys need our help because

1362
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:18,980
you know that those ganglion that's not

1363
00:56:23,530 --> 00:56:21,470
how it happens and blah blah blah so it

1364
00:56:25,110 --> 00:56:23,540
was very strange I can't deny that it

1365
00:56:27,790 --> 00:56:25,120
was very strange and if Tom DeLonge

1366
00:56:30,430 --> 00:56:27,800
somehow fell into that kind of thing but

1367
00:56:32,590 --> 00:56:30,440
passed their test say Tom DeLonge went

1368
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:32,600
to the cemetery at midnight he might

1369
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:33,890
have passed their test and they might

1370
00:56:37,930 --> 00:56:36,530
have brought him into the chain and he

1371
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:37,940
met me have met other people which is

1372
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:39,380
why I'd love to meet him someday in here

1373
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:42,110
but his thoughts are ok did these men

1374
00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:44,510
that you were in touch with wear black

1375
00:56:50,290 --> 00:56:48,320
suits no no they were very lean and

1376
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,300
military lean as how I'd put it they

1377
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:52,400
looked like they were in their 30s they

1378
00:56:56,530 --> 00:56:54,290
were clearly ex-military or current

1379
00:56:58,510 --> 00:56:56,540
military I mean they knew the lingo they

1380
00:57:02,170 --> 00:56:58,520
they had that vibe there were no

1381
00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:02,180
nonsense guys and they they just sort of

1382
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:04,790
brought it in their attitude and they

1383
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:07,730
and they they basically said as much one

1384
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:09,110
of the things that they said that we got

1385
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:12,230
very right is that we had said from the

1386
00:57:15,790 --> 00:57:14,330
beginning that the cover-up was not

1387
00:57:18,430 --> 00:57:15,800
centered in the Air Force but was

1388
00:57:21,130 --> 00:57:18,440
centered in naval intelligence our main

1389
00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:21,140
character on majestic 12 was frank bach

1390
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:23,420
who was a naval intelligence guy and

1391
00:57:27,940 --> 00:57:25,760
they said that was it that they were

1392
00:57:29,350 --> 00:57:27,950
enable intelligence and that the guy

1393
00:57:30,090 --> 00:57:29,360
they wanted us to meet was naval

1394
00:57:35,530 --> 00:57:30,100
intelligence

1395
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,540
he'd so he wasn't agent Gibbs no I mean

1396
00:57:39,970 --> 00:57:37,760
listen the whole thing sounds crazy it's

1397
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:39,980
been a number of years I've forgotten

1398
00:57:44,050 --> 00:57:42,410
more of the details than I remember but

1399
00:57:45,490 --> 00:57:44,060
interestingly enough because you

1400
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:45,500
mentioned that I'll be speaking at the

1401
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,330
IU FOC and Phoenix

1402
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:49,760
I'm literally speaking on Valentine's

1403
00:57:54,070 --> 00:57:51,770
Day which is the first day of the

1404
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:54,080
conference my wife isn't thrilled that

1405
00:57:58,690 --> 00:57:55,970
I'm spending Valentine's Day talking

1406
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:58,700
UFOs to 2,000 of my closest friends but

1407
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,240
that's that's the breaks but one of the

1408
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:04,160
things that I'm doing in preparation of

1409
00:58:07,630 --> 00:58:06,110
that for this speech that I'm giving

1410
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,640
called fear and loathing on the trail of

1411
00:58:11,890 --> 00:58:09,920
the saucers is I'm meeting with my

1412
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:11,900
former dark skies partner Brent Freedman

1413
00:58:16,570 --> 00:58:14,110
this weekend and he and I are going to

1414
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:16,580
go through that

1415
00:58:20,890 --> 00:58:18,890
event that happened to us piece by piece

1416
00:58:23,230 --> 00:58:20,900
memory by memory and I'm gonna write it

1417
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:23,240
all down this time and I'm gonna try to

1418
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:25,910
remember all the details with Brent on

1419
00:58:31,150 --> 00:58:28,910
the theory that we can push each other

1420
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,160
to try to remember the smaller details

1421
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:33,200
of the whole thing and I and I'm I'm

1422
00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:36,110
going to really for the first time try

1423
00:58:41,170 --> 00:58:38,510
to tell the details of that story I've

1424
00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:41,180
just told you at the I you FOC

1425
00:58:45,150 --> 00:58:43,640
conference that's perfect because I was

1426
00:58:46,990 --> 00:58:45,160
going to ask you if you'd had a

1427
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:47,000
transcriptionist or recorded the

1428
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,430
conversation you had they would never

1429
00:58:54,460 --> 00:58:51,680
have allowed that this all happened back

1430
00:58:56,970 --> 00:58:54,470
in the late 80s early 90s so it happened

1431
00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:56,980
in dark skies went on the air a

1432
00:59:04,780 --> 00:59:02,240
September of 1996 that was the night

1433
00:59:08,770 --> 00:59:04,790
that we met this guy when he crashed our

1434
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:08,780
party you know and then within a week or

1435
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:10,730
so we had met these other two guys so

1436
00:59:16,420 --> 00:59:14,210
this would be like October of 1996 when

1437
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:16,430
it it happened okay that's kind of

1438
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:17,690
interesting because you know how you

1439
00:59:21,940 --> 00:59:19,850
were saying well the sort of collision

1440
00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:21,950
of conspiracies in yeah so one with

1441
00:59:25,810 --> 00:59:24,320
Kennedy in the UFOs and stuff it's

1442
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:25,820
interesting to see how that kind of

1443
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:27,410
percolated up through maybe the

1444
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:29,810
collective public consciousness because

1445
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:33,110
back in the late 80s early 90s I was in

1446
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:35,810
a local grunge thing here called nine

1447
00:59:41,230 --> 00:59:38,210
days and wrote a song called who really

1448
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,240
killed John Kennedy yeah and in that

1449
00:59:46,180 --> 00:59:43,520
song it was exactly that conspiracy

1450
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:46,190
along with John Lennon and Marilyn

1451
00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:48,650
Monroe and around that time I started

1452
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,460
seeing other people then within weeks

1453
00:59:57,550 --> 00:59:55,040
months just that the thing just started

1454
01:00:00,040 --> 00:59:57,560
to percolate and I don't know where it

1455
01:00:01,780 --> 01:00:00,050
actually began if you know I kind of

1456
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:01,790
came up with it at the same time as

1457
01:00:04,810 --> 01:00:02,990
other people but it was really

1458
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:04,820
interesting to see and I absolutely

1459
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:07,850
loved arcs guys that was fabulous thank

1460
01:00:12,790 --> 01:00:11,090
you but you know just to pursue that I I

1461
01:00:14,890 --> 01:00:12,800
can't tell you that what you know what

1462
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,900
your own timeline was or whatever I can

1463
01:00:20,410 --> 01:00:16,880
only tell you that when Brent and I were

1464
01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:20,420
writing dark skies in 1994 and 1995 we

1465
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,550
had never ever ever heard anybody talk

1466
01:00:27,370 --> 01:00:25,040
about JFK and UFOs

1467
01:00:29,950 --> 01:00:27,380
we couldn't find anything on it we never

1468
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:29,960
saw anything about it we literally did

1469
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,220
it because we thought it was the

1470
01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:33,440
greatest collision of conspiracies but

1471
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:35,420
if you go on the internet right now and

1472
01:00:41,890 --> 01:00:38,720
you ask you know if you googled JFK and

1473
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:41,900
UFOs you get hundreds of articles and

1474
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:44,570
mentions about it so it I think you're

1475
01:00:48,790 --> 01:00:46,670
right wherever it first came from

1476
01:00:52,060 --> 01:00:48,800
however it first got out into the open

1477
01:00:54,220 --> 01:00:52,070
it has been embraced in youth illogical

1478
01:00:56,530 --> 01:00:54,230
and conspiracy circles ever since and

1479
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:56,540
the question has always got to be which

1480
01:01:00,220 --> 01:00:58,370
came first the chicken or the egg I mean

1481
01:01:03,550 --> 01:01:00,230
was it in the air because it really

1482
01:01:08,460 --> 01:01:03,560
happened or did some I mean I would say

1483
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:08,470
the dark skies pilot is the greatest

1484
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:10,910
attempt to put that in the public sphere

1485
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:15,050
because obviously we were seen by many

1486
01:01:20,530 --> 01:01:17,330
many many millions of people that night

1487
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:20,540
and the entire pilot was about JFK and

1488
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:24,260
UFOs so somehow it's gotten out there

1489
01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:27,230
whether it was because some crazy guy

1490
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:29,240
like me put it on a TV series or whether

1491
01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:31,010
it was because it was in your song or

1492
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:33,950
whether it is whatever there it is it's

1493
01:01:37,810 --> 01:01:35,810
like a whole bunch of people kind of hit

1494
01:01:40,180 --> 01:01:37,820
on this sort of idea that there's

1495
01:01:41,770 --> 01:01:40,190
something something going on there and I

1496
01:01:44,290 --> 01:01:41,780
think was really interesting and so

1497
01:01:47,530 --> 01:01:44,300
naturally like when I'm watching this

1498
01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:47,540
show and I'm going I could have why what

1499
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:49,460
you know wasn't I working with this guy

1500
01:01:55,180 --> 01:01:52,850
because you know it's a fascinating

1501
01:01:59,800 --> 01:01:55,190
problem I mean it's very but you know I

1502
01:02:01,840 --> 01:01:59,810
would say this guy's that very issue

1503
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:01,850
that we're talking about chicken-and-egg

1504
01:02:06,750 --> 01:02:04,970
on JFK and UFOs where did it come from I

1505
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:06,760
mean that's part of the problem of

1506
01:02:15,250 --> 01:02:10,810
studying the UFO situation we have now

1507
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:15,260
it's why I like original cases that go

1508
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:16,970
way back better because they're less

1509
01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:20,240
influenced by the the feelings we have

1510
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:22,700
now I'll give you an example one of the

1511
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,530
films that we're working on right now is

1512
01:02:29,050 --> 01:02:26,240
captured and it's based on the book

1513
01:02:31,390 --> 01:02:29,060
captured by Stan Friedman and Kathy

1514
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:31,400
Martin and it's about the Betty and

1515
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:33,410
Barney Hill case I love the Betty and

1516
01:02:37,330 --> 01:02:34,970
Barney Hill case I wrote about it in

1517
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:37,340
dark skies low those many years ago and

1518
01:02:39,870 --> 01:02:37,970
now

1519
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:39,880
trying to make it as a major film

1520
01:02:45,490 --> 01:02:43,609
because Betty and Barney are the first I

1521
01:02:47,859 --> 01:02:45,500
mean you could argue whether they're

1522
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:47,869
certainly the first publicized UFO

1523
01:02:51,579 --> 01:02:49,970
abduction that anybody had ever heard of

1524
01:02:53,620 --> 01:02:51,589
and what and and what's great about

1525
01:02:55,450 --> 01:02:53,630
Betty and Barney is they had every

1526
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,460
reason in the world not to want people

1527
01:02:58,900 --> 01:02:56,960
to think that they thought they were

1528
01:03:00,550 --> 01:02:58,910
abducted by aliens they were an

1529
01:03:02,620 --> 01:03:00,560
interracial couple and the last thing

1530
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:02,630
they needed was more people looking at

1531
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:05,599
them critically so it's a it's a

1532
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:07,670
terrific case that's why I like that now

1533
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:09,710
you talk about an abduction and you

1534
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:11,210
could you could stand on the street

1535
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:12,410
corner and say I've been abducted by

1536
01:03:16,750 --> 01:03:14,180
aliens and three people would come up to

1537
01:03:19,630 --> 01:03:16,760
you and say yeah man me too Wow I

1538
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,640
remember by the way I wish I hadn't the

1539
01:03:23,319 --> 01:03:21,680
recording it's gotta be somewhere when I

1540
01:03:26,020 --> 01:03:23,329
interviewed Betty Hill back in the

1541
01:03:28,450 --> 01:03:26,030
seventies it's out there somewhere if I

1542
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:28,460
have the tape somewhere I might try to

1543
01:03:32,829 --> 01:03:30,290
do something it just sort of came to my

1544
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:32,839
mind we've got more to come we're doing

1545
01:03:38,859 --> 01:03:35,119
all the fear and loathing bit here with

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continue here but I want to ask you

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these three men and kaki as opposed to

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dark suits whatever they were yeah yeah

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okay three men in khaki mystery the mi

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ke whatever it is okay seriously man in

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khakis

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have any subsequent meetings with them

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after this initial encounter we did not

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and that's on me Brent I think might

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01:08:43,060 --> 01:08:41,090
have gone for it I just felt that these

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01:08:45,730 --> 01:08:43,070
are people I don't know they have not

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01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:45,740
presented me what I would call proof of

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01:08:50,620 --> 01:08:47,810
the things that they were saying and for

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01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,630
them to say I should meet anybody at

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01:08:54,730 --> 01:08:52,400
midnight in the cemetery sounded to me

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01:08:56,860 --> 01:08:54,740
like a cult initiation as much as

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anything and I think that may be what it

1675
01:09:01,450 --> 01:08:59,120
was it may very well be I don't know

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01:09:02,230 --> 01:09:01,460
that this secret is so profound and so

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01:09:05,950 --> 01:09:02,240
crazy

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01:09:08,530 --> 01:09:05,960
that in order to get told what it is you

1679
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:08,540
have to demonstrate that you're one of

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01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:10,730
them that you're crazy enough to meet

1681
01:09:15,730 --> 01:09:13,610
them in a graveyard at midnight and put

1682
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:15,740
your life in their hands you know I had

1683
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:17,630
three young kids at the time I was not

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01:09:22,090 --> 01:09:18,560
prepared to do that

1685
01:09:25,060 --> 01:09:22,100
and so no we did not follow up that

1686
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:25,070
there's a specific detail about that

1687
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:26,570
though that goes beyond the follow up

1688
01:09:29,650 --> 01:09:28,370
and I honestly can't lay it on you right

1689
01:09:32,140 --> 01:09:29,660
now because I'm meeting with Brent about

1690
01:09:35,410 --> 01:09:32,150
it when he lays it on me I'm gonna be

1691
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,420
putting that out as well at the IU FOC

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01:09:38,860 --> 01:09:37,040
and I'd be happy to come back on and

1693
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:38,870
tell you about it if it strikes your

1694
01:09:43,090 --> 01:09:40,850
fancy it's not what I would call we

1695
01:09:45,220 --> 01:09:43,100
followed up but there's kind of a button

1696
01:09:48,940 --> 01:09:45,230
to the story that I want to confirm is

1697
01:09:52,030 --> 01:09:48,950
true and I'm working on that now maybe

1698
01:09:54,610 --> 01:09:52,040
they would be producers who tried direct

1699
01:09:56,020 --> 01:09:54,620
the show they were not I mean I will

1700
01:09:58,300 --> 01:09:56,030
tell you one thing I was a CNN

1701
01:10:00,580 --> 01:09:58,310
correspondent before this this other

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01:10:02,590 --> 01:10:00,590
life I have now as a writer and a

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01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:02,600
producer okay so you're in the center of

1704
01:10:07,570 --> 01:10:06,290
fake news I never did any fake news and

1705
01:10:09,730 --> 01:10:07,580
I don't think they're fake you know I

1706
01:10:11,380 --> 01:10:09,740
disagree with the President on this fake

1707
01:10:14,230 --> 01:10:11,390
news thing he's on but but

1708
01:10:16,270 --> 01:10:14,240
we'll say I did develop by working at

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01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:16,280
CNN and also as a reporter I was an

1710
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:18,920
investigative reporter for PBS and I

1711
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:20,930
worked at a number of places and I met

1712
01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:23,120
many many thousands of people in news

1713
01:10:26,410 --> 01:10:25,160
usually on either the best day of their

1714
01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:26,420
lives or the worst day of their lives

1715
01:10:32,730 --> 01:10:28,940
because it's news not fake news but real

1716
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:32,740
news and I have developed a pretty good

1717
01:10:38,650 --> 01:10:35,930
detector for being lied to

1718
01:10:41,710 --> 01:10:38,660
or misrepresented or if people are

1719
01:10:44,020 --> 01:10:41,720
trying to con me in any way because I

1720
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:44,030
some of the best of con me or tried to

1721
01:10:49,450 --> 01:10:44,930
con me

1722
01:10:52,330 --> 01:10:49,460
these guys were either authentic or they

1723
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:52,340
were trained to be very authentic these

1724
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:54,770
were not to guys might have been three

1725
01:10:58,810 --> 01:10:56,930
you said three I always I was telling

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:10:58,820
serious - and now I've got three in my

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01:11:00,850 --> 01:10:59,210
head

1728
01:11:02,350 --> 01:11:00,860
which goes to show you what the human

1729
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:02,360
memory is you have to talk to Brent

1730
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:03,920
about that as well I guess

1731
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:06,010
but I think it was - but the demeanor

1732
01:11:15,580 --> 01:11:11,600
was clearly real so they were either

1733
01:11:17,470 --> 01:11:15,590
real or they were trained to appear real

1734
01:11:20,380 --> 01:11:17,480
there was no hesitation there was no

1735
01:11:23,050 --> 01:11:20,390
acting in it it was just a scintilla t

1736
01:11:25,300 --> 01:11:23,060
as out there's all I could say I was a

1737
01:11:28,150 --> 01:11:25,310
little chilled to be in the middle of it

1738
01:11:30,490 --> 01:11:28,160
because obviously we all want to know

1739
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:30,500
what the real truth is and I was I was

1740
01:11:33,340 --> 01:11:31,850
sort of like well get to the point let

1741
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,350
you know tell me what exactly was going

1742
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:35,360
on but then at the same time I had a

1743
01:11:40,620 --> 01:11:37,250
television series to produce and whether

1744
01:11:44,350 --> 01:11:40,630
they I didn't have time to spend with

1745
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:44,360
them beyond that you've got extensive

1746
01:11:47,860 --> 01:11:46,130
industry experience and you've had some

1747
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:47,870
weird weird things happen so I

1748
01:11:53,230 --> 01:11:51,710
absolutely have to ask you this it's

1749
01:11:56,140 --> 01:11:53,240
something that I experienced when I was

1750
01:11:58,450 --> 01:11:56,150
in my younger in the 70s you might

1751
01:12:01,120 --> 01:11:58,460
remember the show in search of oh yeah

1752
01:12:03,070 --> 01:12:01,130
yeah now this was with Nimoy and I love

1753
01:12:04,750 --> 01:12:03,080
this show and everybody knows Nimoy Star

1754
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:04,760
Trek was like my favorite television

1755
01:12:09,250 --> 01:12:06,530
show so I'm watching in search of and it

1756
01:12:11,950 --> 01:12:09,260
was the UFO episode in this again in the

1757
01:12:14,980 --> 01:12:11,960
days when it was being broadcast so it

1758
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:14,990
was coming over the air towards the end

1759
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:18,080
of the show all of a sudden it cut -

1760
01:12:23,740 --> 01:12:20,090
Nimoy saying we're interrupting this

1761
01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:23,750
show to bring you a clip of a real UFO

1762
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:25,070
in an archaeal

1763
01:12:31,450 --> 01:12:28,010
dig and we're going to this is totally

1764
01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:31,460
off describe the show and all of a

1765
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:33,560
sudden they cut to this scene black and

1766
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:35,690
white perfectly clear film of a large

1767
01:12:39,070 --> 01:12:37,430
dig I don't mean just a small one look

1768
01:12:40,900 --> 01:12:39,080
like large like you could put machines

1769
01:12:42,910 --> 01:12:40,910
and stuff down into this people were

1770
01:12:44,620 --> 01:12:42,920
sort of off in the distance and you

1771
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:44,630
could see all the places where they were

1772
01:12:52,990 --> 01:12:49,030
digging and this faceted perfectly clear

1773
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:53,000
disc-shaped craft came floating up over

1774
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:56,450
the embankment and down in and around

1775
01:13:01,360 --> 01:12:58,130
these people and they were looking on

1776
01:13:02,860 --> 01:13:01,370
like what the heck is that and I'm

1777
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:02,870
looking at this and I'm going this is

1778
01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:03,530
fabulous

1779
01:13:08,830 --> 01:13:05,900
like I've never seen anything like this

1780
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:08,840
and then all of a sudden static and that

1781
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:11,090
was it until the end of the show at

1782
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:14,090
least 10 minutes or so other and I have

1783
01:13:19,660 --> 01:13:17,570
never been able to find anyone else

1784
01:13:22,030 --> 01:13:19,670
who's seen that I don't even know how

1785
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:22,040
it's possible to do that and if it's

1786
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:24,050
possible how how would that even happen

1787
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:26,510
how can that happen and you witnessed it

1788
01:13:31,630 --> 01:13:28,850
and you're you're willing to say this

1789
01:13:33,610 --> 01:13:31,640
happened so I would go on record I'd

1790
01:13:35,740 --> 01:13:33,620
swear to court David I'll never forget

1791
01:13:37,810 --> 01:13:35,750
this thing and and yet I don't know

1792
01:13:39,460 --> 01:13:37,820
anyone else you've seen it but I mean

1793
01:13:42,010 --> 01:13:39,470
even if it was possibly what would they

1794
01:13:45,450 --> 01:13:42,020
do hijack a a transmitting station and

1795
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:45,460
Jay I think what you've hit upon here is

1796
01:13:51,970 --> 01:13:49,280
an example of why this has been such a

1797
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:51,980
vexing topic for people it's no surprise

1798
01:13:55,930 --> 01:13:53,810
to your your listeners or to you guys

1799
01:13:59,170 --> 01:13:55,940
but the phrase is extreme strangeness

1800
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:59,180
and there there is that element of this

1801
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:01,760
so for example it is entirely possible

1802
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:04,910
as a speculative theory that what you

1803
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:07,850
saw actually is what you saw and that it

1804
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:10,130
actually happened that way but it is

1805
01:14:15,730 --> 01:14:12,890
possible that we're encountering a form

1806
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:15,740
of phenomenon where it only happened to

1807
01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:18,050
you or there's an interactivity

1808
01:14:22,810 --> 01:14:20,450
sometimes between the observer and the

1809
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:22,820
observed we know this from physics right

1810
01:14:27,850 --> 01:14:25,370
now the mere act of watching something

1811
01:14:29,470 --> 01:14:27,860
changes its behavior here's what I think

1812
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:29,480
about this whole phenomenon and why I'm

1813
01:14:34,270 --> 01:14:32,330
eager to see some growing form of

1814
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,280
disclosure happen and there's a phrase

1815
01:14:37,690 --> 01:14:36,320
it's attributed to a physicist there

1816
01:14:38,919 --> 01:14:37,700
there's three people it's been

1817
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:38,929
attributed to so I want

1818
01:14:43,179 --> 01:14:41,209
try to attribute it but the quote is the

1819
01:14:45,429 --> 01:14:43,189
universe is not only stranger than we

1820
01:14:48,129 --> 01:14:45,439
imagined it is stranger than we can

1821
01:14:50,739 --> 01:14:48,139
imagine the truth of the matter is when

1822
01:14:53,140 --> 01:14:50,749
we finally and hopefully it'll be in our

1823
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:53,150
lifetimes but certainly in the next

1824
01:14:57,729 --> 01:14:55,130
generations lifetime when we finally get

1825
01:15:00,129 --> 01:14:57,739
a handle on what seems to be the reality

1826
01:15:01,779 --> 01:15:00,139
behind this phenomenon that it's going

1827
01:15:04,029 --> 01:15:01,789
to blow our minds it's not gonna be

1828
01:15:06,069 --> 01:15:04,039
exactly what you think it is it's not

1829
01:15:07,810 --> 01:15:06,079
gonna be as simple as nuts and bolts I

1830
01:15:09,819 --> 01:15:07,820
don't think it's gonna turn out that

1831
01:15:11,259 --> 01:15:09,829
millions of people have been abducted I

1832
01:15:14,140 --> 01:15:11,269
think it's gonna be turned turn out to

1833
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,150
be something even stranger than that and

1834
01:15:17,799 --> 01:15:16,400
I say bring it on am I gonna tell you

1835
01:15:19,569 --> 01:15:17,809
how old I am but I'm old enough right

1836
01:15:21,969 --> 01:15:19,579
now I don't want to wait any longer

1837
01:15:24,009 --> 01:15:21,979
I want this to be discussed and I want

1838
01:15:26,469 --> 01:15:24,019
the people who know what they know to

1839
01:15:28,209 --> 01:15:26,479
come forward so if there are other

1840
01:15:30,250 --> 01:15:28,219
people with stories like yours Jay I

1841
01:15:32,290 --> 01:15:30,260
want them to start putting them out

1842
01:15:34,629 --> 01:15:32,300
there I want people who investigate

1843
01:15:37,390 --> 01:15:34,639
things to stop laughing about it I want

1844
01:15:39,729 --> 01:15:37,400
to applaud the journalism like what was

1845
01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:39,739
in the New York Times because it's about

1846
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:42,590
time that we start talking honestly

1847
01:15:47,140 --> 01:15:44,510
about this and that's I guess one reason

1848
01:15:49,989 --> 01:15:47,150
gene why I'm not happy with president

1849
01:15:52,929 --> 01:15:49,999
Trump's ongoing attempt to try to

1850
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:52,939
discredit our news I mean let's reform

1851
01:15:56,830 --> 01:15:55,130
it let's make it better of course but to

1852
01:15:59,319 --> 01:15:56,840
try to act like everything is a fake

1853
01:16:01,899 --> 01:15:59,329
story is not going to help us when we're

1854
01:16:04,209 --> 01:16:01,909
trying to decide are we being visited

1855
01:16:07,029 --> 01:16:04,219
and there are three questions who are

1856
01:16:09,310 --> 01:16:07,039
they what do they want and are we safe

1857
01:16:11,739 --> 01:16:09,320
these are important questions for us to

1858
01:16:13,929 --> 01:16:11,749
be asking right now it should require

1859
01:16:15,850 --> 01:16:13,939
the brain power of the entire human race

1860
01:16:18,189 --> 01:16:15,860
put on it right now to try to figure it

1861
01:16:19,899 --> 01:16:18,199
out and I'm tired of somebody who puts

1862
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:19,909
impediments in front of that so I'm not

1863
01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:22,130
a fan of President Trump for it from

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this is actually you're listening to the

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radio okay

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I was looking this up Jay Randall Murphy

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about remembering this thing on TV have

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you heard of the Mandela effect you just

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actually hold that like you read my mind

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yet we've been talking about that on the

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forum that's really interesting and it

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maybe has something to do with that I

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don't know if you've been trying to get

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me off the nuts and bolts yeah

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interstellar hypothesis and and that one

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just hit me and it was kind of an

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intellectual zing that was I thought I

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thought you'd be kind of happy with it

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see you guys are doubt deeply going into

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a parallel universe alternative

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realities which by the way just to

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circle back to where we started that's

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why I always tell people to look at my

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breakpoint series the kennedy book in

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the beatles book they're presented

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straightforward as if they're just a

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history book but in fact you if what we

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are beginning to understand about

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physics from some of our top scientists

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in the field is true then those ideas I

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came up with

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maybe happen some other place and so did

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trillions of other earths that are out

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there that's what I'm trying to say

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something very odd has been going on for

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a while it's not the simple explanation

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in my view it's the nuanced complicated

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weird one if there's a positive reason

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why people would keep the truth from us

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as opposed to a negative reason the only

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positive reason would be they've been

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trying for years to get a handle on it

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and they don't quite have a handle on it

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and to simply announce to people that

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there's a reality to this but we don't

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01:23:00,459 --> 01:22:57,320
know what it is and we can't stop these

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craft from flying around our skies it's

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not a confidence builder that's

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certainly one of the things that Dolan

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and I were talking about in

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after disclosure that you you we don't

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know the answers we just don't know the

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question I have here which is something

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we're looking into possibilities of

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disclosure what does the government

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really know or is a matter of we've got

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something weird going on there and we

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have no idea what it is we don't know if

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it's friendly we don't know if it's

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hostile and that would be another reason

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to keep it a secret you don't want to

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admit that you're stumped no I it's the

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only reason that I would put up with but

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I I here's the other thing I would say

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though that may have been true at one

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point and it might even still be true

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but that's no excuse for us not to be

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having an open discussion about it now I

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think probably after Roswell happened

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they they certainly put in certain

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containment / disinformation ideas in

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order to get by themselves some time

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which I think is probably a good

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national security plan at that time but

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we just gotten through World War two and

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the Nazis and all that stuff and people

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were just freaked out and this was

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pretty freakish too so I think they

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wanted to they they were still in the

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world war to fight the Nazi mold and

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they tried to keep it to themselves why

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they studied it and I bet that the

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architects of denial and ridicule going

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back to the late 40s I bet those people

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if you'd asked them how long they

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thought they could get away with this

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would probably have said about five

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years I think that that that probably

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would have been the horizon for how long

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before it was just going to be out there

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and I bet the architects of denial and

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ridicule

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would be as surprised as anybody on the

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planet right now that their attempt at

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cloaking that the information that they

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were gathering has been so successful

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because it has it turned out that the

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best way to keep a secret is denial and

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ridicule particularly if it has anything

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to do with UFOs or aliens or

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extraterrestrials or alter dimensionals

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or anything if you're getting into the

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weird weeds of science denial and

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01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:10,640
ridicule was the way to go now I should

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01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:11,930
point out to you there's a book out

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01:25:15,849 --> 01:25:14,000
there called Roswell in the 21st century

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01:25:17,589 --> 01:25:15,859
from Kevin Randle

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yeah and we know kevin has been

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following Roswell for over 30 years and

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01:25:25,509 --> 01:25:22,789
what he did was view the case as a cold

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01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:25,519
case and he's done this with other UFO

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01:25:31,239 --> 01:25:27,800
sightings particularly Saqqara in New

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01:25:32,649 --> 01:25:31,249
Mexico and he decided after going

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01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:32,659
through all the evidence that a lot of

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01:25:39,099 --> 01:25:35,570
the things we've accepted in Roswell are

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01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:39,109
not correct and particularly the

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01:25:43,389 --> 01:25:41,510
possibility that alien bodies were seen

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01:25:46,060 --> 01:25:43,399
he said it just couldn't be verified

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01:25:47,859 --> 01:25:46,070
people said that but he couldn't find

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01:25:50,469 --> 01:25:47,869
the verification that it was a

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01:25:52,659 --> 01:25:50,479
consistent story and his feeling is

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01:25:54,849 --> 01:25:52,669
something happened there but we don't

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01:25:57,849 --> 01:25:54,859
know what happened and we may never know

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01:26:00,159 --> 01:25:57,859
what happened III I'd have to

2095
01:26:02,949 --> 01:26:00,169
respectfully disagree with that I think

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01:26:04,299 --> 01:26:02,959
Kevin is a very bright guy and I

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01:26:06,689 --> 01:26:04,309
certainly understand where he's coming

2098
01:26:10,889 --> 01:26:06,699
from on that I sort of side with his

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01:26:13,239 --> 01:26:10,899
former partner Don Schmidt I have Dunn's

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01:26:15,549 --> 01:26:13,249
witness to Roswell and her option and

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01:26:18,429 --> 01:26:15,559
Stanton Friedman's top-secret magic

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01:26:20,739 --> 01:26:18,439
under option and we're doing a movie we

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01:26:22,659 --> 01:26:20,749
have the script just finished called

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01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:22,669
unidentified and it's the story of

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01:26:29,020 --> 01:26:26,719
Stanton and Don and his partners over

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01:26:32,199 --> 01:26:29,030
the years racing to break the Roswell

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01:26:36,429 --> 01:26:32,209
story I go with I go with the mosaic

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01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:36,439
theory - mitt Randall Friedman all the

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01:26:40,869 --> 01:26:38,570
Roswell researchers have collectively

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01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:40,879
talked to about 600 witnesses and while

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01:26:45,099 --> 01:26:42,800
there isn't any single witness that sits

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01:26:47,349 --> 01:26:45,109
down and says this is what happened and

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01:26:48,189 --> 01:26:47,359
lays it out from start to finish from

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01:26:50,409 --> 01:26:48,199
top to bottom

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01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:50,419
they each lay out a piece of it for

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01:26:55,389 --> 01:26:52,639
their own piece because remember secrets

2117
01:26:57,399 --> 01:26:55,399
are always compartmentalized so you put

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01:26:59,229 --> 01:26:57,409
these 600 pieces of the mosaic together

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01:27:02,109 --> 01:26:59,239
and I don't think there's any doubt that

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01:27:04,689 --> 01:27:02,119
there was a crash of something that's I

2121
01:27:06,489 --> 01:27:04,699
I hesitate to call it extraterrestrial

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01:27:08,199 --> 01:27:06,499
because I don't know that's the origin

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01:27:10,959 --> 01:27:08,209
but certainly something that was none

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01:27:13,509 --> 01:27:10,969
earthly happened I believe that I

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01:27:16,419 --> 01:27:13,519
believe that the facts are that and

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01:27:19,689 --> 01:27:16,429
while I again thank Kevin Randall bright

2127
01:27:22,540 --> 01:27:19,699
guy I don't maintain his skepticism of

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01:27:23,889 --> 01:27:22,550
that event today I think it happened of

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01:27:26,529 --> 01:27:23,899
course if you go with this sort of

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01:27:27,929 --> 01:27:26,539
mosaic theory as an analogy then what

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01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:27,939
you've got is a lot of little pieces

2132
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:29,689
some of them

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up the picture and when you get far

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enough away it does look like it adds up

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to something recognizable but that can

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also be an interpretation because your

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mind kind of fills in the blanks and

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depending on how it fills in those

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blanks it can change the shape of the

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picture so there is a certain element of

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belief there absolutely you know so I

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01:27:57,969 --> 01:27:55,400
used to be a real sort of believer that

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that Roswell was kind of the smoking gun

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and I'm less certain of that now but I'm

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probably a little more certain than say

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well what limited this way though

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smoking gun to me means you've literally

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caught the criminal with the gun smoking

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01:28:14,259 --> 01:28:12,050
in his hand okay

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01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:14,269
Roswell is not a smoking gun because

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nobody has come forward and said here's

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the piece of the craft or here's the

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01:28:21,609 --> 01:28:19,820
body or here are the photos or here are

2154
01:28:24,819 --> 01:28:21,619
the anything so it's not a smoking gun

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01:28:26,830 --> 01:28:24,829
even to me I'm just saying I'm willing

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to believe that it was the thing that

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kick-started the entire cover-up that's

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been going on for so long by the way

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that but the problem is just because

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there's a lot of noise doesn't mean

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there's not a signal all right

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absolutely so the part of the problem we

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have and this is again why I'm talking

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about fear and loathing on the trail of

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the saucers next month is that it's so

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damn hard for us to get to disclosing to

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ourselves what really happened I don't

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expect necessarily the government to do

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it maybe they will but I expect us to do

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it for ourselves and we've made it

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incrementally harder all the time by

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having lots of charlatans trying to Palm

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off fake stories and so forth and it

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bothers me because it sets us back and I

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wish there was a magic wand I could wave

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and get everybody to behave that doesn't

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seem to be the case so again if you go

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back to the truth which is during World

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War two we did massive disinformation we

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trained a whole lot of people to be

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really good at it that's how we invaded

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during d-day we had massive

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disinformation we have giant departments

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devoted to it so now less than you know

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three years later after d-day we have a

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crash of something that nobody knows

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exactly what it is but

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us what are you going to deploy against

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that if you're the military you're going

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to deploy the disinformation boys out it

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begin so that mosaic has a lot of pieces

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that are fake in it and that's

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irritating you can't just take

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everything everybody says at face value

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in fact you can't even take half of it

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at face value but again that's noise I

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still think there's enough signal in the

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Roswell story that I buy it

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I guess gene you're saying you buy it as

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well is that what you're saying I think

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something happened I don't try to guess

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whether it was the crash of a spaceship

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something experimental I'm not going to

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really interesting show we have Bryce

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Abel here TV writer producer author and

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cannot see him no that's not the one I'm

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sorry I got that wrong oh well I think

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this presentation that you've got coming

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up fear and loathing that sounds like

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worthwhile that sounds like it really

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worthwhile event I wish I was more in

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that locale to see that yeah I think I

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was in a hunter s Thompson mode because

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in the Beatles book The Beatles end up

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with Hunter Thompson in 1972

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and ended up spending an evening with

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him doing hunter s Thompson things and

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so I ended up writing that portion of

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the book in the voice of Hunter s

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Thompson so I had him in my head and it

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just seemed like I reread his books cuz

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I'm a journalism graduate and so we all

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read Thompson back then but I reread

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them and I just got his voice in my head

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and I had him tell the story of his

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encounter with the Beatles but then I

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thought you know this guy's attitude I

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missed that he's not with us right now

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because I'd love to hear what he would

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say about the UFO mystery I even tried

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to search for that to see if he'd ever

2354
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been quoted talking about I couldn't

2355
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find it so I'm just gonna channel him as

2356
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best I can in terms of the skepticism

2357
01:37:02,929 --> 01:37:00,030
that he would bring to this but he would

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also I believe besides skepticism bring

2359
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with him a whole lot of skepticism about

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whether the people who scoff at it were

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telling the truth I think he'd say yeah

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maybe

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well there was definitely sort of a

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counterculture undercurrent with him

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including the use of hallucinogenics and

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such so I think Chris might have

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something to say about that if he were

2368
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on today but there's you know a certain

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element that figures that well there was

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a lot of this going on back in the day

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and maybe people were literally seeing

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things but it might not be something

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that was actually there or maybe that

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the actual use of Finnegan's does

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actually give some people the ability to

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see things that are there but other

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people don't see and right that's all

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fairly controversial of course I don't

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know if you get anything into anything a

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little more serious like you'd had

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mentioned the ridicule and the great

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honking yeah and that all started taking

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place in 1953 with the Robertson panel

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where they made in an official policy to

2385
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do that so I'm not sure if you've

2386
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touched on any of that or no sure but I

2387
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think I would argue the disinformation

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part of it started you know at the very

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beginning

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the crash happened they admitted it and

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then cooler heads came in and said no no

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no let's buy that back and and I think

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they started rolling it all up very

2394
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:26,829
efficiently at that time as the years

2395
01:38:31,379 --> 01:38:28,570
went on they got better and better at it

2396
01:38:35,100 --> 01:38:31,389
which is why I say given what happened

2397
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:35,110
with Brandon myself in 1996 that gave

2398
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:37,210
sufficient time for them to get very

2399
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:39,489
very good at it which is why I give it I

2400
01:38:44,069 --> 01:38:41,050
didn't even know what I couldn't

2401
01:38:46,169 --> 01:38:44,079
handicap it for its reality it felt real

2402
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:46,179
but at the same time the people who

2403
01:38:50,609 --> 01:38:48,489
would be putting on things that were not

2404
01:38:52,140 --> 01:38:50,619
real they had plenty of time to figure

2405
01:38:54,089 --> 01:38:52,150
out how to do that so that could have

2406
01:38:56,189 --> 01:38:54,099
been the explanation right well if you

2407
01:38:58,859 --> 01:38:56,199
look at the timeline for that the

2408
01:39:01,680 --> 01:38:58,869
Robertson panel in 53 was put together

2409
01:39:04,770 --> 01:39:01,690
on the orders of the OSI and the OSI was

2410
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,780
put together in 1948 I mean look at the

2411
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,880
timeline there and it's focal point was

2412
01:39:11,129 --> 01:39:08,800
for the analysis foreign scientific

2413
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:11,139
technological developments back in the

2414
01:39:15,089 --> 01:39:12,880
80s it was merged into the Office of

2415
01:39:18,030 --> 01:39:15,099
Science and weapons research so I'm

2416
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:18,040
thinking that if what you and I both say

2417
01:39:21,299 --> 01:39:20,110
or think are obviously the truth here

2418
01:39:23,010 --> 01:39:21,309
because it was some sort of cover-up

2419
01:39:25,020 --> 01:39:23,020
going on but these are the people who

2420
01:39:27,180 --> 01:39:25,030
were involved in it

2421
01:39:28,859 --> 01:39:27,190
back in the day after this happened

2422
01:39:32,399 --> 01:39:28,869
because like you know like you were

2423
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:32,409
saying disk recovered at that ranch in

2424
01:39:36,899 --> 01:39:35,199
Roswell it wasn't all that big of a deal

2425
01:39:39,180 --> 01:39:36,909
people didn't even think it was

2426
01:39:40,740 --> 01:39:39,190
something to be thought of as crazy at

2427
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:40,750
first they thought oh this is really

2428
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:43,119
interesting story people liked it the

2429
01:39:48,330 --> 01:39:45,280
Dalek was engaged and then all of a

2430
01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:48,340
sudden this air of ridicule started to

2431
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:50,710
creep into the whole thing well if you

2432
01:39:55,370 --> 01:39:52,960
think about it not only was that first

2433
01:39:57,629 --> 01:39:55,380
mention of it pretty matter-of-fact

2434
01:40:00,060 --> 01:39:57,639
although it was a big deal and it was

2435
01:40:01,649 --> 01:40:00,070
front page news but it was like there

2436
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:01,659
was no attempt to deny it it was just

2437
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:04,570
this is the thing and we went very

2438
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:07,690
quickly let me put it this way when they

2439
01:40:10,799 --> 01:40:09,760
when the first book about Roswell was

2440
01:40:14,580 --> 01:40:10,809
written in 1980

2441
01:40:16,620 --> 01:40:14,590
it seemed outrageous what a crash how

2442
01:40:19,319 --> 01:40:16,630
could a UFO crash they're so advanced

2443
01:40:21,689 --> 01:40:19,329
that that's absolutely ridiculous right

2444
01:40:24,359 --> 01:40:21,699
and yet it wasn't ridiculous in 47 when

2445
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:24,369
they said it so during those years from

2446
01:40:29,810 --> 01:40:27,610
47 to 80 a lot of things have been done

2447
01:40:32,189 --> 01:40:29,820
to try to call into question the

2448
01:40:34,620 --> 01:40:32,199
efficacy of people that we're talking

2449
01:40:36,089 --> 01:40:34,630
about it in a serious way and that's

2450
01:40:38,549 --> 01:40:36,099
where we got things like little green

2451
01:40:42,359 --> 01:40:38,559
men you know instead of calling them

2452
01:40:44,010 --> 01:40:42,369
UFOs and extraterrestrials or others or

2453
01:40:45,450 --> 01:40:44,020
entities or whatever you wanted to call

2454
01:40:47,250 --> 01:40:45,460
them we started calling them flying

2455
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:47,260
saucers and little green men which

2456
01:40:52,169 --> 01:40:50,110
already started the policy of making

2457
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:52,179
people not quite taken that seriously

2458
01:40:58,919 --> 01:40:54,489
after all it seemed kind of funny and

2459
01:41:01,410 --> 01:40:58,929
and as recently as just last year you

2460
01:41:03,629 --> 01:41:01,420
could see whenever someone does a UFO

2461
01:41:05,970 --> 01:41:03,639
story on the local news I'd say about

2462
01:41:08,609 --> 01:41:05,980
90% of the time the local anchors are

2463
01:41:10,770 --> 01:41:08,619
smiling when they when they report on

2464
01:41:13,169 --> 01:41:10,780
this story now we've got a whole new

2465
01:41:15,029 --> 01:41:13,179
perspective coming out though after this

2466
01:41:15,899 --> 01:41:15,039
DeLong thing where you see people taking

2467
01:41:17,850 --> 01:41:15,909
it seriously

2468
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:17,860
they're asking legitimate questions

2469
01:41:21,419 --> 01:41:19,570
they're no longer snickering under their

2470
01:41:23,549 --> 01:41:21,429
breath I think this is a really

2471
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:23,559
important shift but how do we keep that

2472
01:41:29,970 --> 01:41:26,710
going when there's no real common body

2473
01:41:32,669 --> 01:41:29,980
in the youth follow gee I feel can I

2474
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:32,679
think we can I mean it I think that by

2475
01:41:36,299 --> 01:41:34,239
the way what you said about what Tom

2476
01:41:37,709 --> 01:41:36,309
DeLong's done and accomplished that

2477
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:37,719
people are talking about it seriously

2478
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,650
that's fancy

2479
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:40,480
plastic that's why I say he doesn't

2480
01:41:45,390 --> 01:41:41,920
really need to have the double purpose

2481
01:41:47,220 --> 01:41:45,400
of also trying to sell television series

2482
01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:47,230
and movies about it he should stick to

2483
01:41:51,390 --> 01:41:49,030
keeping that conversation going cuz he's

2484
01:41:53,930 --> 01:41:51,400
doing a pretty good job with it but I I

2485
01:41:57,540 --> 01:41:53,940
do think we've just entered a new time

2486
01:41:59,729 --> 01:41:57,550
when when this kind of story was a

2487
01:42:01,770 --> 01:41:59,739
front-page story on the on the New York

2488
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:01,780
Times it got covered everywhere around

2489
01:42:06,090 --> 01:42:04,090
the world and certainly in many

2490
01:42:07,979 --> 01:42:06,100
countries besides the United States they

2491
01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:07,989
take these matters more seriously than

2492
01:42:11,939 --> 01:42:10,510
we have traditionally but now maybe

2493
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:11,949
we're starting to take it a little more

2494
01:42:17,220 --> 01:42:14,650
seriously because I think I mean I could

2495
01:42:22,110 --> 01:42:17,230
be wrong but I think that there is a

2496
01:42:25,169 --> 01:42:22,120
growing sense in the journalism

2497
01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:25,179
community and and and frankly the wider

2498
01:42:32,250 --> 01:42:28,270
community that there's something going

2499
01:42:34,590 --> 01:42:32,260
on here and I I think human curiosity

2500
01:42:36,270 --> 01:42:34,600
being what it is once you turn the

2501
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:36,280
corner from saying it's all a stupid

2502
01:42:43,010 --> 01:42:39,040
joke to I wonder if this is real then

2503
01:42:46,290 --> 01:42:43,020
human curiosity wants an answer to that

2504
01:42:49,530 --> 01:42:46,300
even Neil deGrasse Tyson's been having a

2505
01:42:52,260 --> 01:42:49,540
little bit of a time trying to choke his

2506
01:42:55,110 --> 01:42:52,270
way past explaining this one I saw I saw

2507
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:55,120
him on CNN and he's usually very glib

2508
01:42:58,439 --> 01:42:57,010
I've met him before at the Emmys and

2509
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:58,449
things like that I know this I don't

2510
01:43:03,390 --> 01:43:00,880
know him but I've seen him in in the

2511
01:43:05,820 --> 01:43:03,400
work before and I've never seen him as

2512
01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:05,830
off his game as the day that he was on

2513
01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:07,900
CNN after the New York Times story broke

2514
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:11,140
he just wasn't very confident he the the

2515
01:43:16,919 --> 01:43:14,770
usual glib confidence he he had of his

2516
01:43:21,380 --> 01:43:16,929
go-to comments just weren't quite

2517
01:43:26,370 --> 01:43:21,390
playing when this story itself came with

2518
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:26,380
authenticating video and pilots voices

2519
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:28,239
and was reported by the New York Times

2520
01:43:33,780 --> 01:43:30,850
suddenly all his sort of dismissive

2521
01:43:36,510 --> 01:43:33,790
jokey kind of things fell really flat I

2522
01:43:39,390 --> 01:43:36,520
mean I'd almost no urge anyone you want

2523
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:39,400
to see the first real proof that there's

2524
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:42,489
something going on look at him day after

2525
01:43:47,879 --> 01:43:45,130
and you'll say this is a man seriously

2526
01:43:52,150 --> 01:43:47,889
shaken by what and he's now being forced

2527
01:43:56,420 --> 01:43:54,920
going back to this Mandela effect thing

2528
01:43:59,780 --> 01:43:56,430
though like okay so it's let's suppose

2529
01:44:01,550 --> 01:43:59,790
this is something that when we say well

2530
01:44:03,770 --> 01:44:01,560
maybe the government doesn't really know

2531
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:03,780
or the secret keepers as you've referred

2532
01:44:07,490 --> 01:44:05,760
to them in the past maybe they really

2533
01:44:10,010 --> 01:44:07,500
don't know that much more than we do

2534
01:44:12,530 --> 01:44:10,020
because and this was an idea I had maybe

2535
01:44:14,660 --> 01:44:12,540
the aliens are having the same thing

2536
01:44:16,250 --> 01:44:14,670
happened to them in other words the

2537
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:16,260
aliens might find they've suddenly been

2538
01:44:21,020 --> 01:44:18,690
materialized in somebody's room or in

2539
01:44:24,050 --> 01:44:21,030
the sky over Phoenix and they go WTF

2540
01:44:25,940 --> 01:44:24,060
what's going on and are then transported

2541
01:44:27,740 --> 01:44:25,950
back to where they came from leaving

2542
01:44:30,740 --> 01:44:27,750
them as equally mystified as we are

2543
01:44:33,290 --> 01:44:30,750
about what happened so Randall the

2544
01:44:35,810 --> 01:44:33,300
suggestion here is that maybe they've

2545
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:35,820
hop in from another reality and find

2546
01:44:40,490 --> 01:44:38,490
themselves accidentally here from

2547
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:40,500
wherever they come from earth 38 earth

2548
01:44:45,050 --> 01:44:42,330
to whatever it is I'm not talking about

2549
01:44:47,900 --> 01:44:45,060
the arrowverse on the CW where they do

2550
01:44:51,260 --> 01:44:47,910
have that multiverse stuff on the comic

2551
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:51,270
book hero shows these days but that

2552
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:54,930
concept where they're coming into this

2553
01:45:01,190 --> 01:44:58,800
reality accidentally and then maybe they

2554
01:45:03,110 --> 01:45:01,200
find a way get back or it's deliberate

2555
01:45:07,790 --> 01:45:03,120
that they are able to make that

2556
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:07,800
transition they have the technology you

2557
01:45:11,330 --> 01:45:09,210
know we have three brothers I don't do

2558
01:45:15,050 --> 01:45:11,340
the let me pray sure we we have Bryce

2559
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:15,060
Sabo gene Steinberg and Jay Randall

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2613
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2614
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regard to my comments and what Randall

2615
01:48:12,350 --> 01:48:10,170
was saying earlier oh I was just gonna

2616
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say quitly streamer who I've gotten to

2617
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know over the years and as always

2618
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:17,460
fascinating he had a one theory about it

2619
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:20,480
that the reason we haven't sort of

2620
01:48:25,820 --> 01:48:23,040
acknowledged what is going on in a

2621
01:48:28,670 --> 01:48:25,830
public way is that somehow acknowledging

2622
01:48:31,370 --> 01:48:28,680
it invites it into our reality that

2623
01:48:33,710 --> 01:48:31,380
right now they're just flying around in

2624
01:48:36,170 --> 01:48:33,720
the skies and people like him are having

2625
01:48:38,330 --> 01:48:36,180
experiences but if we widely believe

2626
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:38,340
these experiences to be true suddenly

2627
01:48:42,290 --> 01:48:40,530
these creatures whatever they are

2628
01:48:44,810 --> 01:48:42,300
whether they're greys or whatever would

2629
01:48:47,090 --> 01:48:44,820
suddenly be part of our world in a much

2630
01:48:50,420 --> 01:48:47,100
more direct way even wrote a short story

2631
01:48:52,730 --> 01:48:50,430
about it about von Karman I think and so

2632
01:48:55,070 --> 01:48:52,740
you know if that's the problem there are

2633
01:48:56,630 --> 01:48:55,080
a thousand theories like that we can't

2634
01:48:58,190 --> 01:48:56,640
prove any of them right now because we

2635
01:49:01,310 --> 01:48:58,200
don't really have any facts to work with

2636
01:49:03,220 --> 01:49:01,320
so we need to get more facts and whether

2637
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:03,230
that's going to come from government

2638
01:49:09,470 --> 01:49:06,320
whistleblowers or frankly ourselves

2639
01:49:12,170 --> 01:49:09,480
working the problem is unclear to me

2640
01:49:14,270 --> 01:49:12,180
maybe it'll be a bit of both but the one

2641
01:49:16,610 --> 01:49:14,280
thing that it seems very obvious is we

2642
01:49:18,350 --> 01:49:16,620
shouldn't wait for anybody to tell us

2643
01:49:21,020 --> 01:49:18,360
what the truth is why would we do that

2644
01:49:23,300 --> 01:49:21,030
we need to just go out and get it

2645
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:23,310
ourselves we need to hold the people who

2646
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:25,650
talk to us to a higher standard and when

2647
01:49:32,300 --> 01:49:28,320
we see somebody who's really just trying

2648
01:49:34,370 --> 01:49:32,310
to Palm off a story that they just made

2649
01:49:35,900 --> 01:49:34,380
up we need to shut them down because we

2650
01:49:37,610 --> 01:49:35,910
got to get to the real facts to this

2651
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:37,620
thing we got to treat it like the

2652
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:40,290
biggest journalistic story of our

2653
01:49:45,050 --> 01:49:43,290
lifetimes which it is yes but I really

2654
01:49:47,870 --> 01:49:45,060
think that we're ever gonna get to an

2655
01:49:50,540 --> 01:49:47,880
answer I'm looking at 70 years of UFO

2656
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:50,550
research yeah I do think we're gonna get

2657
01:49:55,190 --> 01:49:52,410
to an answer I think we're going to

2658
01:49:57,890 --> 01:49:55,200
begin the public dialog within the next

2659
01:49:58,970 --> 01:49:57,900
five years possibly earlier and I think

2660
01:50:04,340 --> 01:49:58,980
that

2661
01:50:06,020 --> 01:50:04,350
period of evaluation and trying to do

2662
01:50:07,190 --> 01:50:06,030
that just because we start talking about

2663
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:07,200
it publicly it doesn't mean they

2664
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:09,570
declassify anything or everything so

2665
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:10,890
we're gonna have to there's going to be

2666
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:13,050
court cases to get this stuff out I mean

2667
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:15,210
Dolan and I talked about it at a great

2668
01:50:20,510 --> 01:50:17,010
length and AD after disclosure and while

2669
01:50:23,810 --> 01:50:20,520
I've really a today put in that 2010

2670
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:23,820
book because now we're in 2018 I still

2671
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:26,730
think that that's the deal we we are

2672
01:50:31,370 --> 01:50:29,370
going to have to fight for this truth

2673
01:50:32,780 --> 01:50:31,380
even if the government were to issue a

2674
01:50:34,729 --> 01:50:32,790
statement right now it wouldn't be the

2675
01:50:36,740 --> 01:50:34,739
full statement it would be remember

2676
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:36,750
Watergate they had a partial limited

2677
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:38,850
hangout they were talking about for

2678
01:50:41,900 --> 01:50:40,530
their disclosure what Nixon was up to

2679
01:50:43,670 --> 01:50:41,910
well we'll probably get a partial

2680
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:43,680
limited hangout and then we're gonna

2681
01:50:47,060 --> 01:50:45,330
have to go and get the rest of it

2682
01:50:48,500 --> 01:50:47,070
ourselves I think you make a really

2683
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:48,510
great point there I think one of the

2684
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:51,090
most important things you just said is

2685
01:50:55,370 --> 01:50:53,250
that well why do we even really need

2686
01:50:57,979 --> 01:50:55,380
them to tell us what we already know

2687
01:51:00,200 --> 01:50:57,989
because there are so many people out

2688
01:51:02,210 --> 01:51:00,210
there who have had experiences and that

2689
01:51:05,330 --> 01:51:02,220
reminds me have you ever seen a UFO

2690
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:05,340
yourself get back to that but I mean for

2691
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:08,489
us who have with no question about the

2692
01:51:12,590 --> 01:51:10,320
certainty of it that they're looking at

2693
01:51:14,150 --> 01:51:12,600
something alien okay we might not know

2694
01:51:16,370 --> 01:51:14,160
for sure whether it's interstellar or

2695
01:51:18,500 --> 01:51:16,380
interplanetary or transdimensional

2696
01:51:21,110 --> 01:51:18,510
or where they came from but we know

2697
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,120
something alien is visiting our

2698
01:51:26,060 --> 01:51:23,280
civilization from somewhere out there

2699
01:51:28,190 --> 01:51:26,070
beyond it we have no question in our

2700
01:51:31,070 --> 01:51:28,200
mind about that right and quite a few

2701
01:51:32,270 --> 01:51:31,080
people in society are like that so

2702
01:51:35,150 --> 01:51:32,280
there's this segment of the population

2703
01:51:37,610 --> 01:51:35,160
that knows we don't really need to be

2704
01:51:39,170 --> 01:51:37,620
told by the government that it's real no

2705
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:39,180
we don't need to be told but I would

2706
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:42,090
argue that what would be nice if they

2707
01:51:46,460 --> 01:51:44,970
would join us in partnership and lay the

2708
01:51:48,110 --> 01:51:46,470
cards on the table that they have

2709
01:51:50,900 --> 01:51:48,120
they're not going to do that first

2710
01:51:53,150 --> 01:51:50,910
without being forced to but ultimately

2711
01:51:55,850 --> 01:51:53,160
that's the goal the goal isn't that we

2712
01:51:57,800 --> 01:51:55,860
have to do it to catch up to them it's

2713
01:52:00,920 --> 01:51:57,810
it's more like we're kind of all on the

2714
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:00,930
same team if this is truly a non earthly

2715
01:52:05,390 --> 01:52:02,760
intelligence that we're engaged with

2716
01:52:07,130 --> 01:52:05,400
then frankly that puts us all on the

2717
01:52:08,660 --> 01:52:07,140
same team whether we're Chinese or

2718
01:52:10,220 --> 01:52:08,670
Russian or American whether we're the

2719
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:10,230
government or we're private enterprise

2720
01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:12,090
we're all in this same

2721
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:14,940
together so I would hope going forward

2722
01:52:20,209 --> 01:52:16,800
after they'll be you know they'll be

2723
01:52:23,419 --> 01:52:20,219
periods of difficulty in grappling with

2724
01:52:26,209 --> 01:52:23,429
this but the truth will come out when we

2725
01:52:28,609 --> 01:52:26,219
all of us are together are smarter than

2726
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:28,619
any one of us so we need to get

2727
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,960
whoever's got information and I assume

2728
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,639
the government has a lot of quality

2729
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:34,320
information that we might not have they

2730
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:36,210
probably have some better photos and

2731
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:37,650
they might have some bodies and some

2732
01:52:42,589 --> 01:52:39,449
crafts and they might have tried to do

2733
01:52:44,540 --> 01:52:42,599
some reverse engineering that's sort of

2734
01:52:46,399 --> 01:52:44,550
up in the air right now but if they've

2735
01:52:49,070 --> 01:52:46,409
done any that or they have any of that

2736
01:52:50,780 --> 01:52:49,080
the goal would be to get that out so

2737
01:52:52,669 --> 01:52:50,790
that instead of just having a small

2738
01:52:55,010 --> 01:52:52,679
group of scientists studying it within

2739
01:52:57,770 --> 01:52:55,020
the government we instead have these

2740
01:53:00,020 --> 01:52:57,780
sort of the wiki of the population

2741
01:53:02,270 --> 01:53:00,030
studying it so that we can find the

2742
01:53:03,709 --> 01:53:02,280
truth and debate it and evaluate it and

2743
01:53:06,020 --> 01:53:03,719
and come forward with a better

2744
01:53:07,399 --> 01:53:06,030
understanding I just have interesting

2745
01:53:09,229 --> 01:53:07,409
question occurred to me is something we

2746
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:09,239
discussed earlier so you met these

2747
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:12,090
people a couple of people who you talked

2748
01:53:18,589 --> 01:53:15,810
to at the beginning of dark skies right

2749
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:18,599
among the producers writers directors

2750
01:53:24,290 --> 01:53:22,050
that you know has anyone else ever had

2751
01:53:26,810 --> 01:53:24,300
anything similar happened to them I

2752
01:53:28,669 --> 01:53:26,820
don't think so I mean you're asking what

2753
01:53:30,979 --> 01:53:28,679
my knowledge of that is I'd haven't

2754
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:30,989
heard it other than Tom DeLonge who

2755
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:33,119
seems to have publicly stated that's

2756
01:53:37,700 --> 01:53:35,520
what's happened with him I've not heard

2757
01:53:40,669 --> 01:53:37,710
of that I've heard of people that were

2758
01:53:42,379 --> 01:53:40,679
making projects that had cooperation but

2759
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:42,389
that doesn't mean anyone laid the whole

2760
01:53:46,430 --> 01:53:44,159
story out for him there's been rumors

2761
01:53:48,890 --> 01:53:46,440
about Steven Spielberg but he's never

2762
01:53:51,950 --> 01:53:48,900
confirmed them to the degree where he

2763
01:53:53,780 --> 01:53:51,960
says I mean obviously people wanted to

2764
01:53:55,550 --> 01:53:53,790
hang out with Spielberg they're happy to

2765
01:53:57,410 --> 01:53:55,560
talk to him about these things but I

2766
01:53:59,839 --> 01:53:57,420
don't think they've laid out the truth

2767
01:54:02,720 --> 01:53:59,849
for him I mean I worked for Spielberg on

2768
01:54:07,010 --> 01:54:02,730
taken and we had meetings on this topic

2769
01:54:09,589 --> 01:54:07,020
and while he seems as informed about it

2770
01:54:11,689 --> 01:54:09,599
as almost anybody I know he didn't sound

2771
01:54:13,820 --> 01:54:11,699
like he was holding back private

2772
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:13,830
information that he had he sounded like

2773
01:54:19,459 --> 01:54:17,040
he was as damn curious as we were yeah

2774
01:54:21,709 --> 01:54:19,469
going back to what you were saying

2775
01:54:24,109 --> 01:54:21,719
between the government and the public

2776
01:54:25,820 --> 01:54:24,119
that the s versus them thing that's

2777
01:54:27,950 --> 01:54:25,830
actually a really good attitude it

2778
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:27,960
sort of you're saying okay well maybe it

2779
01:54:34,190 --> 01:54:30,690
the subject can act as a unifying force

2780
01:54:36,410 --> 01:54:34,200
in society and culture move us out of

2781
01:54:38,810 --> 01:54:36,420
the sort of Dark Ages in terms of

2782
01:54:41,780 --> 01:54:38,820
thinking about our place in the universe

2783
01:54:44,930 --> 01:54:41,790
as opposed to just saying okay well now

2784
01:54:47,570 --> 01:54:44,940
we've got the goods and we we can put it

2785
01:54:49,550 --> 01:54:47,580
in the face of the sceptics and and put

2786
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:49,560
them to shame I seem to see a lot of

2787
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:51,810
that like they just want the answers so

2788
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:53,970
that they can you know shove it in the

2789
01:54:55,940 --> 01:54:55,530
face of the sceptics and say I told you

2790
01:54:58,130 --> 01:54:55,950
so

2791
01:55:00,770 --> 01:54:58,140
and I'm not sure that that's worth

2792
01:55:04,010 --> 01:55:00,780
nowhere we got to be in fact I don't

2793
01:55:06,230 --> 01:55:04,020
want to turn this into a attack on the

2794
01:55:07,940 --> 01:55:06,240
president but I do think a president

2795
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:07,950
that's willing to think about pardoning

2796
01:55:12,650 --> 01:55:10,290
his friends or his family might want to

2797
01:55:15,260 --> 01:55:12,660
consider what if he simply pardoned any

2798
01:55:16,610 --> 01:55:15,270
future whistleblower on this topic that

2799
01:55:18,050 --> 01:55:16,620
would be a lovely thing that would get a

2800
01:55:19,850 --> 01:55:18,060
lot of people coming forward if they

2801
01:55:22,970 --> 01:55:19,860
knew that they wouldn't face treason

2802
01:55:26,180 --> 01:55:22,980
charges or get arrested or fined or

2803
01:55:28,910 --> 01:55:26,190
whatever and frankly some presidential

2804
01:55:31,610 --> 01:55:28,920
directive toward the the people who have

2805
01:55:33,050 --> 01:55:31,620
some of this information to to put it

2806
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:33,060
out and the public would be a really

2807
01:55:39,890 --> 01:55:35,850
positive thing so III think we have

2808
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:39,900
reached sort of this isn't the end as I

2809
01:55:42,770 --> 01:55:41,370
forget who said that maybe this

2810
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:42,780
Churchill it's not the end but it's the

2811
01:55:47,810 --> 01:55:46,050
end of the beginning I I think that's

2812
01:55:50,660 --> 01:55:47,820
where we are right now we're about to

2813
01:55:53,660 --> 01:55:50,670
cross over from what has admittedly been

2814
01:55:56,150 --> 01:55:53,670
a far too long process at least 70 years

2815
01:55:59,750 --> 01:55:56,160
and we're now crossing over and do the

2816
01:56:02,750 --> 01:55:59,760
next phase of this which is exploring

2817
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:02,760
and and testing theories for what's

2818
01:56:07,490 --> 01:56:04,560
really going on and I'm simply

2819
01:56:11,900 --> 01:56:07,500
suggesting that common sense says it's

2820
01:56:14,900 --> 01:56:11,910
it's time to we I'm going to be a little

2821
01:56:17,180 --> 01:56:14,910
upset when people admit that they kept a

2822
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:17,190
secret for 70 years but in the interest

2823
01:56:21,410 --> 01:56:18,960
of truth I'm willing to even give them a

2824
01:56:23,450 --> 01:56:21,420
pass if they'll come forward if we if we

2825
01:56:25,340 --> 01:56:23,460
can make it easier for people who have

2826
01:56:27,290 --> 01:56:25,350
knowledge to come forward and share it

2827
01:56:28,730 --> 01:56:27,300
then we need to do that that's more

2828
01:56:31,460 --> 01:56:28,740
important than putting them in jail at

2829
01:56:35,300 --> 01:56:31,470
this point absolutely there needs to be

2830
01:56:37,610 --> 01:56:35,310
some sort of public liaison process I

2831
01:56:39,450 --> 01:56:37,620
think almost as like a separate office

2832
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:39,460
where people can

2833
01:56:45,330 --> 01:56:42,570
because obviously we can't just give a

2834
01:56:46,740 --> 01:56:45,340
free rein to two whistleblowers because

2835
01:56:49,170 --> 01:56:46,750
there's too much right

2836
01:56:51,110 --> 01:56:49,180
related intelligence information like

2837
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:51,120
how the information was obtained through

2838
01:56:57,060 --> 01:56:55,360
probably highly secret and channels and

2839
01:56:59,340 --> 01:56:57,070
technologies I mean you can't just go

2840
01:57:00,810 --> 01:56:59,350
around blabbing about that no but it's

2841
01:57:02,460 --> 01:57:00,820
not just the United States either though

2842
01:57:05,220 --> 01:57:02,470
I mean this may not be in our control

2843
01:57:07,790 --> 01:57:05,230
and also coming up in a couple of weeks

2844
01:57:10,410 --> 01:57:07,800
you'll be hearing from Pennsylvania

2845
01:57:13,530 --> 01:57:10,420
paranormal researcher Stan Gordon

2846
01:57:15,870 --> 01:57:13,540
talking about UFOs cryptids and more on

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01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:15,880
the power cast we're going to take a

2848
01:57:20,490 --> 01:57:17,890
pause here and then we've got more with

2849
01:57:23,610 --> 01:57:20,500
Bryce Sabol J Randall Murphy and Jean

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speaking of fear and loathing here even

2962
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if you think and we've talked about this

2963
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before Randall as you know there might

2964
02:02:19,810 --> 02:02:15,440
be some gradual disclosure going on here

2965
02:02:21,850 --> 02:02:19,820
where we have the news about planets

2966
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revolving around other star systems it

2967
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may have the conditions for life UFOs

2968
02:02:29,620 --> 02:02:27,290
are being taken more seriously if we're

2969
02:02:32,140 --> 02:02:29,630
gonna have disclosure wouldn't it be

2970
02:02:35,430 --> 02:02:32,150
better to make the process so gradual

2971
02:02:38,020 --> 02:02:35,440
that people really don't notice

2972
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:38,030
especially that something is happening

2973
02:02:43,030 --> 02:02:40,610
they just wake up one day and it's out

2974
02:02:45,100 --> 02:02:43,040
there I think the question for that is

2975
02:02:47,110 --> 02:02:45,110
how much of it is intentional and how

2976
02:02:49,420 --> 02:02:47,120
much of it is just naturally percolating

2977
02:02:52,690 --> 02:02:49,430
up through a society and culture and

2978
02:02:54,310 --> 02:02:52,700
Bryce I imagine you probably can really

2979
02:02:58,900 --> 02:02:54,320
comment on this because I see it

2980
02:03:01,120 --> 02:02:58,910
everywhere now from commercials to radio

2981
02:03:03,940 --> 02:03:01,130
to television to the internet it's just

2982
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:03,950
it's it's gotten itself into every

2983
02:03:11,980 --> 02:03:07,610
aspect of modern culture but does that

2984
02:03:14,260 --> 02:03:11,990
qualify as disclosure it is true that we

2985
02:03:16,750 --> 02:03:14,270
are all open to the idea and in fact

2986
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:16,760
that's why I say if people are thinking

2987
02:03:20,500 --> 02:03:18,530
well we got to get people acclimated to

2988
02:03:22,210 --> 02:03:20,510
this before we can tell them I mean come

2989
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:22,220
on that's happened we're acclimated

2990
02:03:26,740 --> 02:03:25,010
we're ready to go and and honestly we've

2991
02:03:28,390 --> 02:03:26,750
accepted so many strange things we'll

2992
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:28,400
probably accept this thing it's probably

2993
02:03:32,290 --> 02:03:30,650
stranger than we imagined as I said but

2994
02:03:33,790 --> 02:03:32,300
that doesn't mean we can't get to work

2995
02:03:35,530 --> 02:03:33,800
rolling up our sleeves and trying to

2996
02:03:38,170 --> 02:03:35,540
figure out what what's truly going on

2997
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:38,180
and I agree with your comment it is

2998
02:03:43,300 --> 02:03:41,210
everywhere but that's not proof either

2999
02:03:44,830 --> 02:03:43,310
there's lots of movies made about it

3000
02:03:47,530 --> 02:03:44,840
there's lots of television shows I've

3001
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:47,540
made my share it's not proof it's just

3002
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:50,570
entertainment and when you see an alien

3003
02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:52,330
used on a skateboard that

3004
02:03:56,910 --> 02:03:55,090
just advertising but it does mean that

3005
02:03:59,640 --> 02:03:56,920
it's permeated our consciousness as you

3006
02:04:02,610 --> 02:03:59,650
said and that may mean that the door is

3007
02:04:04,770 --> 02:04:02,620
a little bit more open to being a little

3008
02:04:06,420 --> 02:04:04,780
bit more forthcoming that's my hope

3009
02:04:08,340 --> 02:04:06,430
that's what I think

3010
02:04:10,620 --> 02:04:08,350
the next five years are going to be

3011
02:04:13,980 --> 02:04:10,630
about of course this takes us right back

3012
02:04:15,900 --> 02:04:13,990
to Edward J ruppelt when he wrote his

3013
02:04:17,730 --> 02:04:15,910
book the report on unidentified flying

3014
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:17,740
objects and in the introduction he says

3015
02:04:22,650 --> 02:04:20,530
what's proof well ultimately that's

3016
02:04:26,130 --> 02:04:22,660
that's just evidence that's sufficient

3017
02:04:29,820 --> 02:04:26,140
to prove not to prove but to justify

3018
02:04:31,620 --> 02:04:29,830
belief in a claim so what if for one

3019
02:04:34,830 --> 02:04:31,630
person but if you've got a giant

3020
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:34,840
football field-sized Tic Tac rotating

3021
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:37,330
around your craft your aircraft

3022
02:04:43,110 --> 02:04:40,090
I think that's proof of something I mean

3023
02:04:45,180 --> 02:04:43,120
it's on it's on radar returns it's been

3024
02:04:48,360 --> 02:04:45,190
cited by a guy I mean I think we have to

3025
02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:48,370
start saying I would just love it just

3026
02:04:52,530 --> 02:04:50,050
say that I don't know why the media

3027
02:04:54,780 --> 02:04:52,540
doesn't do this I don't know why Trump I

3028
02:04:56,640 --> 02:04:54,790
don't know why Paul Ryan I don't know

3029
02:04:58,620 --> 02:04:56,650
why all of these guys haven't been

3030
02:05:00,260 --> 02:04:58,630
showing that video by somebody in the

3031
02:05:03,270 --> 02:05:00,270
White House briefing room and saying

3032
02:05:06,570 --> 02:05:03,280
what is it what do you think that is

3033
02:05:08,610 --> 02:05:06,580
because if you look at it and you listen

3034
02:05:10,770 --> 02:05:08,620
to it it's really hard to say nothing

3035
02:05:15,930 --> 02:05:10,780
happened there something did happen and

3036
02:05:17,790 --> 02:05:15,940
if I were a curious protector of the US

3037
02:05:20,610 --> 02:05:17,800
government I'd want to know about it I

3038
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:20,620
mean and clearly Senator Harry Reid did

3039
02:05:25,410 --> 02:05:22,810
want to know about it right we still got

3040
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:25,420
one of the people in our forums posted a

3041
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:27,690
video from the Flat Earth Society

3042
02:05:32,820 --> 02:05:30,250
convention there's still people that

3043
02:05:35,340 --> 02:05:32,830
don't believe the earth is a sphere I

3044
02:05:37,650 --> 02:05:35,350
know and you can't prove it to them

3045
02:05:38,220 --> 02:05:37,660
because they've got their evidence but

3046
02:05:41,220 --> 02:05:38,230
you know what

3047
02:05:44,130 --> 02:05:41,230
but that's a great example of why you

3048
02:05:46,410 --> 02:05:44,140
don't the object of societal change and

3049
02:05:48,060 --> 02:05:46,420
grappling with this isn't that everybody

3050
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:48,070
has to come to the party at the same

3051
02:05:53,250 --> 02:05:51,250
time that's not that will never happen

3052
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:53,260
if they're still flat earthers out there

3053
02:05:56,820 --> 02:05:54,970
god bless them I'm not gonna waste my

3054
02:05:59,400 --> 02:05:56,830
time trying to prove to them the earth

3055
02:06:02,880 --> 02:05:59,410
is round I'm going to just live with

3056
02:06:05,610 --> 02:06:02,890
that fact so I think we we have to not

3057
02:06:06,489 --> 02:06:05,620
think that we have to prove something to

3058
02:06:09,250 --> 02:06:06,499
every

3059
02:06:11,529 --> 02:06:09,260
but we have to open the dialogue up to

3060
02:06:14,679 --> 02:06:11,539
enough people that are part of our

3061
02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:14,689
current operations here in society and

3062
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:17,090
try to incorporate whatever this reality

3063
02:06:23,500 --> 02:06:21,050
change will be into our reality and I

3064
02:06:25,419 --> 02:06:23,510
don't think it has to be like I said I'm

3065
02:06:26,799 --> 02:06:25,429
a little frightened because they've kept

3066
02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:26,809
it secret for so long and there must be

3067
02:06:31,839 --> 02:06:29,689
some reasons for that but we've we've

3068
02:06:33,819 --> 02:06:31,849
absolutely reached the place where it

3069
02:06:37,689 --> 02:06:33,829
doesn't do us any good to keep that

3070
02:06:40,870 --> 02:06:37,699
secret anymore now we should be bringing

3071
02:06:43,689 --> 02:06:40,880
everybody on board and and bringing

3072
02:06:45,819 --> 02:06:43,699
everybody up to speed and trying to

3073
02:06:48,609 --> 02:06:45,829
grapple with it and though the the

3074
02:06:51,069 --> 02:06:48,619
percentage of flat earthers of the in

3075
02:06:52,959 --> 02:06:51,079
UFOs will just happen you know that it's

3076
02:06:54,699 --> 02:06:52,969
not important we don't need to convince

3077
02:06:57,429 --> 02:06:54,709
them well we can come along when they do

3078
02:07:00,129 --> 02:06:57,439
we just need a general shift in public

3079
02:07:02,679 --> 02:07:00,139
perception on the most acceptable social

3080
02:07:04,479 --> 02:07:02,689
levels so that we can reduce the say the

3081
02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:04,489
non-believers to the status of flat

3082
02:07:08,439 --> 02:07:06,530
earthers I think that seems to be

3083
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:08,449
happening there's certainly good books

3084
02:07:13,060 --> 02:07:10,880
that have been written about it imagine

3085
02:07:15,489 --> 02:07:13,070
if the Washington Post was currently

3086
02:07:17,859 --> 02:07:15,499
putting as much energy into getting to

3087
02:07:20,699 --> 02:07:17,869
the bottom of what is really going on

3088
02:07:24,879 --> 02:07:20,709
with this this phenomenon as they are to

3089
02:07:26,139 --> 02:07:24,889
say that the the Russia situation by the

3090
02:07:27,399 --> 02:07:26,149
way I think we should be investigating

3091
02:07:29,909 --> 02:07:27,409
the Russian situation I'm just saying

3092
02:07:32,859 --> 02:07:29,919
that's a lot of energy and a lot of

3093
02:07:34,540 --> 02:07:32,869
financial resources and so forth going

3094
02:07:37,239 --> 02:07:34,550
into it what if we put a fraction of

3095
02:07:39,939 --> 02:07:37,249
that into the UFO thing and instead of

3096
02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:39,949
making it a joke we simply said it's

3097
02:07:44,199 --> 02:07:41,689
it's something this newspaper is

3098
02:07:46,239 --> 02:07:44,209
committed to investigating and trying to

3099
02:07:49,689 --> 02:07:46,249
get at the truth about and I think we

3100
02:07:53,049 --> 02:07:49,699
are very close frankly we are very very

3101
02:07:54,459 --> 02:07:53,059
close to at least one news organization

3102
02:07:55,659 --> 02:07:54,469
and there will be others to follow but

3103
02:07:58,239 --> 02:07:55,669
one will have to go first

3104
02:07:59,919 --> 02:07:58,249
that says we're going to stay on this

3105
02:08:01,899 --> 02:07:59,929
story it might be the New York Times

3106
02:08:04,089 --> 02:08:01,909
since they've they own the space right

3107
02:08:06,009 --> 02:08:04,099
now but it could be another paper or

3108
02:08:08,739 --> 02:08:06,019
whatever but someone with some

3109
02:08:10,929 --> 02:08:08,749
journalistic resources is going to say

3110
02:08:12,699 --> 02:08:10,939
to themselves why don't we own this

3111
02:08:16,209 --> 02:08:12,709
think what it will do for our newspaper

3112
02:08:18,219 --> 02:08:16,219
when we break this story I think that's

3113
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:18,229
a really good point but then you've got

3114
02:08:22,030 --> 02:08:19,730
people out there

3115
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:22,040
and I ran across one not too long ago

3116
02:08:26,020 --> 02:08:24,320
actually Paul Kimball is kind of in this

3117
02:08:28,270 --> 02:08:26,030
category he'll say well you know what

3118
02:08:30,280 --> 02:08:28,280
how many people really care if the earth

3119
02:08:31,180 --> 02:08:30,290
is flat or sphere anymore I mean it

3120
02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:31,190
doesn't have anything to do with

3121
02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:33,890
quitting food on the table and and you

3122
02:08:38,170 --> 02:08:35,810
know joining the rat race back and forth

3123
02:08:40,210 --> 02:08:38,180
from work and paying your visa bill and

3124
02:08:41,860 --> 02:08:40,220
this one person I was talking to I

3125
02:08:43,630 --> 02:08:41,870
brought it up and they just said to me

3126
02:08:45,580 --> 02:08:43,640
well you know why do you have to bring

3127
02:08:48,040 --> 02:08:45,590
this up I just find it boring I'd sooner

3128
02:08:50,140 --> 02:08:48,050
you know talk about my golf game well

3129
02:08:53,530 --> 02:08:50,150
you know what I'll wear that we just

3130
02:08:55,120 --> 02:08:53,540
don't you know yeah okay some people say

3131
02:08:56,980 --> 02:08:55,130
I'd rather think about what I have to do

3132
02:08:58,690 --> 02:08:56,990
to put food on the table and I say by

3133
02:09:01,420 --> 02:08:58,700
all means continue to think about that

3134
02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:01,430
but I'm actually capable of multitasking

3135
02:09:05,620 --> 02:09:03,530
and I'm sure you guys are too and so are

3136
02:09:07,570 --> 02:09:05,630
most people so I don't have a problem

3137
02:09:09,010 --> 02:09:07,580
with waking up in the morning and saying

3138
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:09,020
what am I gonna do to put food on the

3139
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:12,410
table and also reading a nice New York

3140
02:09:17,260 --> 02:09:15,050
Times story about UFO research that's a

3141
02:09:19,210 --> 02:09:17,270
problem for me I can handle it and I'm

3142
02:09:21,670 --> 02:09:19,220
sure most people can it's one of the

3143
02:09:24,460 --> 02:09:21,680
most fascinating questions

3144
02:09:26,890 --> 02:09:24,470
it remains them there's two great

3145
02:09:28,660 --> 02:09:26,900
questions out there is there a god and

3146
02:09:30,670 --> 02:09:28,670
are we alone those are two great

3147
02:09:34,030 --> 02:09:30,680
questions I'm not proposing we get into

3148
02:09:36,190 --> 02:09:34,040
the God bit but as for are we alone I

3149
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:36,200
think it's ironic that we've spent so

3150
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:37,850
much energy talking about the setting

3151
02:09:42,250 --> 02:09:40,090
problem program over the years and

3152
02:09:44,140 --> 02:09:42,260
spending money trying to point

3153
02:09:46,990 --> 02:09:44,150
telescopes out there when there seems to

3154
02:09:48,430 --> 02:09:47,000
be profound evidence that yeah we're not

3155
02:09:50,230 --> 02:09:48,440
alone but it isn't that they're out

3156
02:09:53,770 --> 02:09:50,240
there they're they're over here already

3157
02:09:56,920 --> 02:09:53,780
and I think a lot of people are ready to

3158
02:09:59,470 --> 02:09:56,930
accept that some of these reports have

3159
02:10:01,300 --> 02:09:59,480
been real over the years and if only one

3160
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:01,310
of them is real I mean this is one of

3161
02:10:06,550 --> 02:10:03,290
those great great things if only one's

3162
02:10:08,110 --> 02:10:06,560
real then you've got an issue here okay

3163
02:10:10,180 --> 02:10:08,120
that's really great but what if I was to

3164
02:10:12,460 --> 02:10:10,190
just say you know I don't know why you

3165
02:10:14,590 --> 02:10:12,470
have to go on about this because you

3166
02:10:17,940 --> 02:10:14,600
know I really just it just doesn't

3167
02:10:29,030 --> 02:10:17,950
matter to me god right guys Bryce gene

3168
02:10:36,820 --> 02:10:32,930
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story from Billy Cox we've all heard of

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him and he wrote ex-cia chief keep

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studying UFOs of course they're talking

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to John Brennan yeah now he said that he

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doesn't necessarily believe in UFOs but

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he thinks we should continue to

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investigate it why would he say that

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okay during the course of my career both

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in the CIA as well as the White House I

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was aware that there were endeavors to

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try to discern what some of these

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phenomena are okay but that shouldn't

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mean we shouldn't continue to pursue it

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and try to apply the latest technologies

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and the latest science to understand

3291
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what may be going on yeah it's like half

3292
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a suggestion yeah that's great but what

3293
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do you tell somebody who just goes oh

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that's interesting and then takes that

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rolls it up and burns it to in the

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fireplace because you know you know he

3297
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needs it to start as his next fire okay

3298
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let's say that 30% of the people feel

3299
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that way okay you know they'll get with

3300
02:16:29,060 --> 02:16:26,430
the program as it is revealed to them I

3301
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don't think the job is to inspire or

3302
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bring every skeptic on board that's not

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the job the job right now is to reach

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out in a constructive way to people who

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have been safeguarding this information

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over the years developing the

3307
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information and and thinking about this

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02:16:51,890 --> 02:16:49,170
topic and we need to reach out to them

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in a partnership that's kind of pulsed

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this out of the governmental shadows and

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02:16:59,040 --> 02:16:56,290
out of the

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the ridicule of the public sector and

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02:17:05,370 --> 02:17:01,300
finds a safe meeting place in the Middle

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where we talk about it's the the actual

3315
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cases that exist what they might mean

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02:17:14,090 --> 02:17:11,679
and we begin to submit them to a greater

3317
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intensity not only in scientific

3318
02:17:21,450 --> 02:17:18,850
investigation but also in that putting

3319
02:17:23,340 --> 02:17:21,460
our best minds on what it could mean and

3320
02:17:25,379 --> 02:17:23,350
and how we should engage with it because

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if it's really what a lot of people are

3322
02:17:31,470 --> 02:17:27,370
thinking is going on then we shouldn't

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be we shouldn't have 99.9% of the planet

3324
02:17:35,340 --> 02:17:33,760
and the dark about it and 0.1% know

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02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:35,350
what's going on it should be the

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opposite

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I take 70/30 any day you know if you've

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got if you got your 30% they don't want

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to talk by all means you know if they

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don't want to get with the program who

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cares their kids will we're all gonna

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live in a different world anyway in the

3333
02:17:55,290 --> 02:17:53,740
future but we can't worry about needed

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02:17:56,760 --> 02:17:55,300
to get us into World War two he didn't

3335
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worry about the people that didn't want

3336
02:18:01,980 --> 02:17:58,660
to do it he worried about how to get us

3337
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how to defeat the Nazis so we have to

3338
02:18:07,169 --> 02:18:04,750
focus on the the problem not on not on

3339
02:18:08,730 --> 02:18:07,179
the naysayers right that sounds like a

3340
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:08,740
pretty good solution so just you know

3341
02:18:14,280 --> 02:18:10,450
with those kind of people we just kind

3342
02:18:16,410 --> 02:18:14,290
of go okay so alright then so how was

3343
02:18:18,330 --> 02:18:16,420
your golf game that's what that's how I

3344
02:18:21,870 --> 02:18:18,340
do it I mean that's literally how I do

3345
02:18:24,120 --> 02:18:21,880
it and then occasionally it more often

3346
02:18:26,820 --> 02:18:24,130
than not I'll have friends who know I

3347
02:18:28,980 --> 02:18:26,830
have an interest in it and while they

3348
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:28,990
might not speak to their spouse about it

3349
02:18:33,750 --> 02:18:31,210
or their kids they'll say to me so you

3350
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:33,760
know a lot about that UFOs and what do

3351
02:18:36,720 --> 02:18:35,050
you really know do you think that's

3352
02:18:38,970 --> 02:18:36,730
really real and they're really

3353
02:18:42,060 --> 02:18:38,980
interested and then I tell them my

3354
02:18:43,950 --> 02:18:42,070
thoughts and I lend my books out to them

3355
02:18:46,379 --> 02:18:43,960
I I would tell you one thing this is you

3356
02:18:48,840 --> 02:18:46,389
know I I'm a big believer in something

3357
02:18:50,850 --> 02:18:48,850
specific that you can do I would urge

3358
02:18:52,770 --> 02:18:50,860
everybody to pick their five favorite

3359
02:18:55,620 --> 02:18:52,780
UFO books that they think make the case

3360
02:18:58,350 --> 02:18:55,630
really well and buy an extra copy of

3361
02:19:00,300 --> 02:18:58,360
each one of them and put their phone

3362
02:19:02,640 --> 02:19:00,310
number and their name inside each one

3363
02:19:04,410 --> 02:19:02,650
and then lend them out to people and say

3364
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I'm not giving you this book I'm lending

3365
02:19:07,530 --> 02:19:05,889
it to you because I know you want to

3366
02:19:08,760 --> 02:19:07,540
read it when you're done please give it

3367
02:19:09,360 --> 02:19:08,770
back to me so I can give it to somebody

3368
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:09,370
else

3369
02:19:14,610 --> 02:19:12,160
that's how you change people one brain

3370
02:19:16,889 --> 02:19:14,620
at a time I actually do that I've got a

3371
02:19:19,049 --> 02:19:16,899
huge supply of books I buy them on sale

3372
02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:19,059
from the used book shops and when I see

3373
02:19:22,860 --> 02:19:21,130
them so you know that's not a great idea

3374
02:19:25,469 --> 02:19:22,870
good for you I've got a bunch of like

3375
02:19:27,240 --> 02:19:25,479
Timothy goods above top secret which I

3376
02:19:29,160 --> 02:19:27,250
thought was really good there's a couple

3377
02:19:31,259 --> 02:19:29,170
of things in it that Donecker pointed

3378
02:19:33,570 --> 02:19:31,269
out but generally speaking fantastic I

3379
02:19:35,790 --> 02:19:33,580
think I got some feel like a buck fifty

3380
02:19:38,429 --> 02:19:35,800
I just want to say be sure to send out

3381
02:19:41,400 --> 02:19:38,439
lots and lots and lots of copies of AD

3382
02:19:44,030 --> 02:19:41,410
after disclosed absolutely we get those

3383
02:19:46,770 --> 02:19:44,040
a discount you know I bought seriously

3384
02:19:47,969 --> 02:19:46,780
most of my UFO books from the early

3385
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:47,979
years who were talking here about the

3386
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:51,130
60s I went to the Samuel wiser bookstore

3387
02:19:56,040 --> 02:19:53,770
in lower Manhattan and I went to the

3388
02:19:59,570 --> 02:19:56,050
closeout bins and I bought all these

3389
02:20:05,820 --> 02:19:59,580
great UFO books for a dollar each yeah

3390
02:20:08,340 --> 02:20:05,830
well do with that he didn't burn them we

3391
02:20:10,139 --> 02:20:08,350
know that no I didn't believe in that I

3392
02:20:12,420 --> 02:20:10,149
think my first wife has a lot of those

3393
02:20:14,460 --> 02:20:12,430
books right now ah well let's not go

3394
02:20:16,860 --> 02:20:14,470
there that's obviously a sad sad story

3395
02:20:19,320 --> 02:20:16,870
no she's a nice lady she's been on the

3396
02:20:21,870 --> 02:20:19,330
show oh okay alright so we don't have to

3397
02:20:23,639 --> 02:20:21,880
worry about that so it's interesting to

3398
02:20:26,250 --> 02:20:23,649
get along with your first wife with your

3399
02:20:29,340 --> 02:20:26,260
ex-wife it's hard enough to get along

3400
02:20:31,230 --> 02:20:29,350
with your current wife or girlfriend but

3401
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:31,240
to get along with the ex I guess that's

3402
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:33,520
a miracle I'm still looking for a new

3403
02:20:39,810 --> 02:20:37,930
girlfriend so I've been married over 30

3404
02:20:42,030 --> 02:20:39,820
years so awesome

3405
02:20:45,690 --> 02:20:42,040
I found something that worked and kept

3406
02:20:47,580 --> 02:20:45,700
at it fabulous she just kept you in line

3407
02:20:49,469 --> 02:20:47,590
that's all yeah I think that's probably

3408
02:20:52,770 --> 02:20:49,479
she would certainly agree with you about

3409
02:20:55,290 --> 02:20:52,780
that so to show you guys go on the road

3410
02:20:57,599 --> 02:20:55,300
together we do like she'll my wife

3411
02:20:59,910 --> 02:20:57,609
Jackie is coming with me to the I ufoc

3412
02:21:02,730 --> 02:20:59,920
next month and should probably attend a

3413
02:21:06,210 --> 02:21:02,740
couple of events and we'll enjoy our

3414
02:21:07,530 --> 02:21:06,220
time in Phoenix together so yeah we we

3415
02:21:09,630 --> 02:21:07,540
do a lot together and we write together

3416
02:21:11,400 --> 02:21:09,640
we wrote at something that got won the

3417
02:21:13,410 --> 02:21:11,410
Writers Guild Award a few years back so

3418
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:13,420
yeah we work together and we play

3419
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:16,000
together has she inherited the UFO bug

3420
02:21:22,410 --> 02:21:20,170
or made no kids no no one of my kids is

3421
02:21:23,100 --> 02:21:22,420
is in very intrigued by it he's coming

3422
02:21:25,081 --> 02:21:23,110
with me

3423
02:21:27,690 --> 02:21:25,091
the eye ufoc because he wants to talk to

3424
02:21:30,870 --> 02:21:27,700
people and and so forth

3425
02:21:33,211 --> 02:21:30,880
jackie understands the issue i don't

3426
02:21:35,581 --> 02:21:33,221
think she shares my you know avid

3427
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:35,591
interest in it but i think she

3428
02:21:40,051 --> 02:21:37,120
understands it's an important issue as

3429
02:21:41,700 --> 02:21:40,061
we most of us do but you know not

3430
02:21:43,740 --> 02:21:41,710
everyone's good yeah i guess that's just

3431
02:21:45,511 --> 02:21:43,750
it you have to be prepared that not

3432
02:21:47,730 --> 02:21:45,521
everybody in your family not everybody

3433
02:21:50,581 --> 02:21:47,740
in your city that everybody at work is

3434
02:21:52,770 --> 02:21:50,591
gonna think the same way as you think if

3435
02:21:55,530 --> 02:21:52,780
anything you want to just be prepared to

3436
02:21:59,011 --> 02:21:55,540
sort of let people find the information

3437
02:22:00,900 --> 02:21:59,021
that they need and and I found that that

3438
02:22:03,751 --> 02:22:00,910
New York Times article was a great

3439
02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:03,761
example of a door opener because a lot

3440
02:22:08,251 --> 02:22:06,250
of people will read that and when they

3441
02:22:11,190 --> 02:22:08,261
read it they they're quite taken by it

3442
02:22:12,870 --> 02:22:11,200
they're amazed and they they want to

3443
02:22:15,180 --> 02:22:12,880
know more and that's when you hit him

3444
02:22:17,820 --> 02:22:15,190
with that that book speaking to you is a

3445
02:22:20,660 --> 02:22:17,830
former CNN guy yeah the thing that

3446
02:22:23,910 --> 02:22:20,670
surprised me the most recently is

3447
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conservative talk host Tucker Carlson

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from Fox he had on Leslie cane as a

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guest and no wackiness there straight

3450
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interview very serious indications that

3451
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he personally has an interest in the

3452
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subject who is this again

3453
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say that again Tucker Carlson he does

3454
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yeah he replaced Bill O'Reilly I think

3455
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ya know he's you know he's he's got a

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lot of followers so I think that's great

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I mean he should do an entire show about

3458
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it he should he should speak openly

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about it yeah I think when we can get

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people who are you know both left and

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right and center on board then it really

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doesn't matter which way it goes then

3463
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we're in a better position for sure

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I mean I hope that we have entered a new

3465
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period here I really do suspect we have

3466
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I you know if you read a lot of history

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you see the ebb and flow of ideas and

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events and things and everything about

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that makes me believe that we're on the

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cusp of of acceptance

3471
02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:39,619
and the beginning of the discussion the

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real discussion because you I I forget

3473
02:23:47,290 --> 02:23:44,810
who first said it today but we may not

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know as much as we think we know we we

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simply may know that this mystery exists

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and we may have proof of the mystery but

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we may not have an answer for what the

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mystery is and that's probably where we

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sit right now and as we move forward

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it'll be fascinating to see all these

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great minds who are not currently

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thinking about this turn their attention

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to it and begin to speculate and discuss

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it that will be very helpful we got more

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weather I don't know if it's a flu but

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the flu is really bad in what thirty two

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states so far hey I've taken a flu shot

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for 25 years now and I have not had a

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flu in 25 years so even though I know

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it's not completely protective this year

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I couldn't be stronger on before I took

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the flu shot I got the flu every year

3601
02:29:29,790 --> 02:29:27,460
then I started taking the flu shot I

3602
02:29:32,480 --> 02:29:29,800
never got the flu again so for what it's

3603
02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:32,490
worth I know there's some paranoia about

3604
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vaccinations but I have taken flu shots

3605
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every year for many years and even at a

3606
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hundred nineteen years old here I've

3607
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managed to avoid that let me just bring

3608
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you one more thing before we let you go

3609
02:29:52,890 --> 02:29:50,560
and leave the building with Elvis and

3610
02:29:55,500 --> 02:29:52,900
that is yes it's possibly just

3611
02:29:57,780 --> 02:29:55,510
addressing the after disclosure material

3612
02:29:59,850 --> 02:29:57,790
and once again looking at now a book

3613
02:30:01,950 --> 02:29:59,860
written some years back and the current

3614
02:30:03,990 --> 02:30:01,960
developments with Tom DeLonge and the

3615
02:30:06,960 --> 02:30:04,000
New York Times article and everything

3616
02:30:10,320 --> 02:30:06,970
what kind of reaction do you think might

3617
02:30:12,510 --> 02:30:10,330
happen in our society now if it were

3618
02:30:15,719 --> 02:30:12,520
revealed that UFOs are real they're

3619
02:30:18,690 --> 02:30:15,729
possibly extraterrestrial well I think

3620
02:30:20,550 --> 02:30:18,700
the biggest change the expansion it's

3621
02:30:23,100 --> 02:30:20,560
not a change but an expansion of my

3622
02:30:26,250 --> 02:30:23,110
thinking since the ad after disclosure

3623
02:30:29,219 --> 02:30:26,260
book that Dolan and I wrote is that I've

3624
02:30:30,870 --> 02:30:29,229
moved pretty far beyond thinking it

3625
02:30:32,640 --> 02:30:30,880
needs to be just an official

3626
02:30:35,160 --> 02:30:32,650
announcement from anybody whether it's

3627
02:30:38,280 --> 02:30:35,170
the Pope or the president to thinking

3628
02:30:40,830 --> 02:30:38,290
that there seems to be signs now of a

3629
02:30:43,560 --> 02:30:40,840
different fabric coming together which

3630
02:30:45,150 --> 02:30:43,570
is more official people talking about it

3631
02:30:47,250 --> 02:30:45,160
and the sense that there are literally

3632
02:30:49,969 --> 02:30:47,260
people who have had a lot of these

3633
02:30:52,110 --> 02:30:49,979
highly classified positions who are

3634
02:30:54,870 --> 02:30:52,120
whether with permission or without

3635
02:30:57,060 --> 02:30:54,880
permission trying to tell their stories

3636
02:30:59,820 --> 02:30:57,070
and these things are all kind of merging

3637
02:31:02,250 --> 02:30:59,830
together and I think that it is the kind

3638
02:31:05,150 --> 02:31:02,260
of not by some design but by just the

3639
02:31:08,219 --> 02:31:05,160
way it's working we're all sort of

3640
02:31:09,900 --> 02:31:08,229
moving toward the realization that

3641
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:09,910
there's more to this than meets the eye

3642
02:31:13,020 --> 02:31:11,050
so

3643
02:31:15,660 --> 02:31:13,030
to answer your question how will we

3644
02:31:19,770 --> 02:31:15,670
handle it it will be messy I always use

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the member bucket urgent s'en from dr.

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Strangelove he says about nuclear war I

3647
02:31:25,710 --> 02:31:23,229
ain't saying we're not gonna get our

3648
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hair mussed and I kind of think that's

3649
02:31:31,770 --> 02:31:28,960
what disclosure is it's gonna be crazy

3650
02:31:33,780 --> 02:31:31,780
for a while and maybe for a long while

3651
02:31:37,170 --> 02:31:33,790
but we'll handle it pretty well because

3652
02:31:39,870 --> 02:31:37,180
we want to know more and the only thing

3653
02:31:43,050 --> 02:31:39,880
that will be really disruptive is if

3654
02:31:46,440 --> 02:31:43,060
there is some truth to a nefarious or

3655
02:31:49,139 --> 02:31:46,450
negative or hostile interpretation of it

3656
02:31:50,929 --> 02:31:49,149
if that's the case and that explains why

3657
02:31:53,790 --> 02:31:50,939
it's been secret for so long

3658
02:31:56,309 --> 02:31:53,800
obviously the discussion will be less

3659
02:31:57,900 --> 02:31:56,319
about making contact with our space

3660
02:32:00,480 --> 02:31:57,910
brothers and it'll be more about

3661
02:32:02,219 --> 02:32:00,490
protecting ourselves but if that's the

3662
02:32:04,080 --> 02:32:02,229
case let the games begin

3663
02:32:06,510 --> 02:32:04,090
so I just wanted to thank you guys for

3664
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for having me on the show and and I know

3665
02:32:10,800 --> 02:32:09,160
that some of your listeners may have

3666
02:32:12,570 --> 02:32:10,810
missed some of the earlier parts I just

3667
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want to say I do hope they'll give a

3668
02:32:17,070 --> 02:32:15,340
chance to the new book once there was a

3669
02:32:20,910 --> 02:32:17,080
way what if the Beatles stayed together

3670
02:32:23,910 --> 02:32:20,920
it's at Amazon Beatles calm or what if

3671
02:32:26,639 --> 02:32:23,920
Beatles calm and it's not about UFOs

3672
02:32:29,099 --> 02:32:26,649
obviously but it's me experimenting in

3673
02:32:31,820 --> 02:32:29,109
that alternate universe I hope to see

3674
02:32:34,679 --> 02:32:31,830
some of your listeners at the

3675
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International UFO Congress in Phoenix

3676
02:32:41,099 --> 02:32:37,780
I'm speaking on February 14th which is

3677
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Valentine's Day so if you show up and

3678
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there's a big crowd my wife may be a

3679
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little kinder to me about spending

3680
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Valentine's Day talking UFOs I will have

3681
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a heart-to-heart talk with her and just

3682
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find out all this secrets about you in

3683
02:32:55,559 --> 02:32:53,680
terms of projects we have a couple of

3684
02:32:57,870 --> 02:32:55,569
minutes left okay of course we've got

3685
02:33:00,360 --> 02:32:57,880
the beetle thing you got the book in

3686
02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:00,370
terms and I know you covered it briefly

3687
02:33:05,610 --> 02:33:04,210
in terms of future movie and/or TV

3688
02:33:07,710 --> 02:33:05,620
projects can you give us some more

3689
02:33:10,380 --> 02:33:07,720
information well I'll give you the UFO

3690
02:33:11,880 --> 02:33:10,390
ones I always have my finger in a lot of

3691
02:33:14,250 --> 02:33:11,890
pies there but the UFO ones in

3692
02:33:17,309 --> 02:33:14,260
particular include captured which is

3693
02:33:18,780 --> 02:33:17,319
based on the stand Freedman Kathy Martin

3694
02:33:22,469 --> 02:33:18,790
book about the Betty and Barney Hill

3695
02:33:23,559 --> 02:33:22,479
case and in fact I'm in contact with Dan

3696
02:33:25,000 --> 02:33:23,569
Aykroyd about that

3697
02:33:26,710 --> 02:33:25,010
I won't tell you any more than that but

3698
02:33:28,510 --> 02:33:26,720
we're talking about it dan Aykroyd

3699
02:33:31,510 --> 02:33:28,520
playing Staunton Freeland

3700
02:33:33,969 --> 02:33:31,520
no no this is the Betty and Barney Hill

3701
02:33:37,329 --> 02:33:33,979
case okay so I would play the

3702
02:33:38,679 --> 02:33:37,339
psychiatrist that's possible but we're

3703
02:33:40,960 --> 02:33:38,689
talking you know I'm just saying we're

3704
02:33:43,389 --> 02:33:40,970
talking yeah and then the other project

3705
02:33:44,920 --> 02:33:43,399
is unidentified which is the story of

3706
02:33:46,840 --> 02:33:44,930
Stanton Friedman and Don Schmidt

3707
02:33:49,569 --> 02:33:46,850
competing to break the Roswell case

3708
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:49,579
that's a second movie and we have a

3709
02:33:54,130 --> 02:33:52,010
script on both captured and unidentified

3710
02:33:56,019 --> 02:33:54,140
and we're now moving into the market to

3711
02:33:58,359 --> 02:33:56,029
try to put together the coalition's that

3712
02:33:59,710 --> 02:33:58,369
it takes to make a modern movie and then

3713
02:34:02,229 --> 02:33:59,720
the other thing I'm working on right now

3714
02:34:03,729 --> 02:34:02,239
is I've just had a lot of interest over

3715
02:34:06,519 --> 02:34:03,739
the years and it seems to have peaked

3716
02:34:09,099 --> 02:34:06,529
again in converting ad after disclosure

3717
02:34:11,229 --> 02:34:09,109
into a television series so I'm meeting

3718
02:34:13,779 --> 02:34:11,239
with numerous people in the next few

3719
02:34:16,569 --> 02:34:13,789
weeks to try to put together that pitch

3720
02:34:18,579 --> 02:34:16,579
and take it out into the town and see if

3721
02:34:21,099 --> 02:34:18,589
we can figure out how to turn that into

3722
02:34:24,069 --> 02:34:21,109
a miniseries maybe or or a full-on

3723
02:34:25,750 --> 02:34:24,079
series either way try to be the the

3724
02:34:28,029 --> 02:34:25,760
television series that isn't about

3725
02:34:30,639 --> 02:34:28,039
proving that aliens are real which is

3726
02:34:32,500 --> 02:34:30,649
what most books about and most

3727
02:34:34,569 --> 02:34:32,510
television series about this topic are

3728
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:34,579
about but instead and to be a little

3729
02:34:39,369 --> 02:34:37,010
more positive and to instead focus on

3730
02:34:40,479 --> 02:34:39,379
well we know aliens are real what are we

3731
02:34:42,460 --> 02:34:40,489
going to do about it so the very

3732
02:34:44,649 --> 02:34:42,470
question that you just asked I want to

3733
02:34:47,019 --> 02:34:44,659
do a television series about that how

3734
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:47,029
are we going to handle getting this

3735
02:34:54,340 --> 02:34:49,760
information that a we have been lied to

3736
02:34:56,590 --> 02:34:54,350
for 70 years and B they're here already

3737
02:34:59,829 --> 02:34:56,600
they're not out there I hope I'm wrong

3738
02:35:02,769 --> 02:34:59,839
with my dark skies main title theme

3739
02:35:05,500 --> 02:35:02,779
because in it the main character says

3740
02:35:07,420 --> 02:35:05,510
they're here they're hostile and

3741
02:35:10,540 --> 02:35:07,430
powerful people don't want you to know

3742
02:35:12,519 --> 02:35:10,550
that's what we put out there in 1996 if

3743
02:35:15,309 --> 02:35:12,529
it turns out to be true then it's gonna

3744
02:35:17,500 --> 02:35:15,319
be a bumpy ride if it's not true and

3745
02:35:19,809 --> 02:35:17,510
there's other interpretations and it

3746
02:35:21,159 --> 02:35:19,819
might turn out to be B all right I like

3747
02:35:24,040 --> 02:35:21,169
to look at this with a certain amount of

3748
02:35:25,779 --> 02:35:24,050
optimism whatever it is I don't think

3749
02:35:28,300 --> 02:35:25,789
anything's ever been gained by not

3750
02:35:30,550 --> 02:35:28,310
facing the truth so you know I'm a

3751
02:35:31,380 --> 02:35:30,560
journalist I say face the truth and let

3752
02:35:34,599 --> 02:35:31,390
the games begin

3753
02:35:37,210 --> 02:35:34,609
fabulous I probably shouldn't even said

3754
02:35:40,210 --> 02:35:37,220
that I'm too glib for my own good

3755
02:35:43,030 --> 02:35:40,220
but I met Dan all I would say is this I

3756
02:35:44,769 --> 02:35:43,040
met Dan Akroyd I used to be the chairman

3757
02:35:46,300 --> 02:35:44,779
of the television Academy I think your

3758
02:35:48,670 --> 02:35:46,310
listeners know that

3759
02:35:49,960 --> 02:35:48,680
so I attend all the TV Academy events

3760
02:35:53,440 --> 02:35:49,970
and I was at the Hall of Fame induction

3761
02:35:54,910 --> 02:35:53,450
where all the SNL players from the first

3762
02:35:57,010 --> 02:35:54,920
season were inducted into the Hall of

3763
02:35:59,740 --> 02:35:57,020
Fame and I met Dan afterwards and we

3764
02:36:02,769 --> 02:35:59,750
ended up at the after-party talking UFOs

3765
02:36:05,469 --> 02:36:02,779
and he's very very knowledgeable he's

3766
02:36:08,110 --> 02:36:05,479
very interested in the topic as I am and

3767
02:36:10,809 --> 02:36:08,120
we have been discussing various projects

3768
02:36:13,450 --> 02:36:10,819
and how we might best find a way to take

3769
02:36:15,820 --> 02:36:13,460
this topic out to the world and so yeah

3770
02:36:18,010 --> 02:36:15,830
I'm intrigued by his interest in

3771
02:36:19,660 --> 02:36:18,020
enthusiasm and I share it and and

3772
02:36:22,240 --> 02:36:19,670
hopefully good will come of it

3773
02:36:24,250 --> 02:36:22,250
okay we could always team him with Jim

3774
02:36:25,960 --> 02:36:24,260
Belushi since John Belushi is dead and

3775
02:36:31,389 --> 02:36:25,970
have the Blues Brothers meet the aliens

3776
02:36:34,660 --> 02:36:31,399
I think is a very serious he is a sober

3777
02:36:36,910 --> 02:36:34,670
but not somber person who looks at this

3778
02:36:39,219 --> 02:36:36,920
topic as one of the most from his

3779
02:36:41,590 --> 02:36:39,229
opinion this is the most important thing

3780
02:36:44,290 --> 02:36:41,600
and it's gonna change our entire world

3781
02:36:46,389 --> 02:36:44,300
and I think he also shares my view that

3782
02:36:48,070 --> 02:36:46,399
we are on the cusp of it which is

3783
02:36:49,660 --> 02:36:48,080
interesting because and this Aldous

3784
02:36:51,820 --> 02:36:49,670
leave you with this thought we have been

3785
02:36:52,570 --> 02:36:51,830
predicting disclosure literally since

3786
02:36:55,510 --> 02:36:52,580
the 50s

3787
02:36:57,490 --> 02:36:55,520
most books written then predicted

3788
02:36:59,260 --> 02:36:57,500
disclosure was eminent and it never

3789
02:37:01,990 --> 02:36:59,270
happened it didn't happen in the 50s the

3790
02:37:05,229 --> 02:37:02,000
60s the 70s the 80s the 90s the aughts

3791
02:37:07,450 --> 02:37:05,239
and here we are at 2018 I'm not saying

3792
02:37:09,940 --> 02:37:07,460
that's happening in the in the tens but

3793
02:37:13,479 --> 02:37:09,950
I would say we will not end the 20s

3794
02:37:15,880 --> 02:37:13,489
without there being a legitimate feeling

3795
02:37:17,710 --> 02:37:15,890
that disclosure has happened I'll tell

3796
02:37:20,139 --> 02:37:17,720
you this obviously I'm just joking about

3797
02:37:22,030 --> 02:37:20,149
Dan Aykroyd obviously but I know he's

3798
02:37:25,179 --> 02:37:22,040
very seriously interested in this stuff

3799
02:37:27,099 --> 02:37:25,189
and see what he contributes to it all

3800
02:37:28,929 --> 02:37:27,109
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3801
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3802
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3803
02:37:36,340 --> 02:37:33,859
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02:37:39,849 --> 02:37:36,350
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3808
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3809
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